Stanford game?

[jayandbutton]

our men just can't handle big leads. Neon Deon Cook lights it up once again for 22, and J-28 Boyd adds 19 off the bench but the rest of the squad doesn't show up and the #15 nationally ranked Broncos blow it at Seattle University tonight. we absolutely need help in the paint. Big K-D has shown very little thus far after a monster freshman year. it's the first time Seattle has ever defeated a nationally ranked team.

The ladies took care of biz though in Phoenix and move on to 2-0. That Long Beach State transfer hits a crucial three to save the game.

[Giants8307]

Originally Posted by xiaoxue

LAK,
That is unbelievable. To barely defeat UC San Diego on your home floor clearly shows how bad SLO is again this year. UCSD never in history has even finished as high as fourth in the CCAA--and ususally is in the bottom half--and further proves that the bottom feeders of the Big West (ie, SLO and UC Riverside) would be very hard pressed to even be in the middle of the pack in the lowly DII CCAA. Now do you understand why SLO and UCR want no part of the top tier of the league...notably, Pomona and San Bernardino???? Did you notice that San Bern played toe to toe with USC and barely lost???

It also shows that DI is all over the board when it comes to quality. UCI beat another DI team back east by more than 50 points. There are entire DI conferences like the MEAC, Patriot League, and SWAC that are far weaker than the DII CCAA.

BTW, there are ZERO athletic scholarships at UCSD. That means a virtual pick-up team almost beat a fully funded Mustang squad. Get a rope. I would be choking were I coaching at SLO.

So is stanford also horrible based on one game?

[lakdod]

Stanford is a good team but sometimes like UCLA during the Lavin years and Michigan St on Saturday will lose to a team like Irvine or Hawaii.

[Giants8307]

Originally Posted by lakdod

Stanford is a good team but sometimes like UCLA during the Lavin years and Michigan St on Saturday will lose to a team like Irvine or Hawaii.

So maybe we shouldn't judge slo based upon one game, either. I know you guys want them to fail, but just give them a chance.

[jayandbutton]

i don't think anybody wants our sister school to fall, giants. why, given that we have the same name? the issue largely is about DI hype, like there is some sort of huge quality chasm there. yeah, of course there is when you speak of duke in roundball and texas in football. but it's pretty lame when the mustangs can barely beat a DII bottom feeder and schedules not one but four patsies rather than even one good DII program. at least your ladies coach had the guts to try bakersfield, and predictably, got beat right there in friendly mott gym.

let's see what your boys do with stanford next monday since you like to yak so much about the one game upset at cal two years ago, like bromley is still dwelling on that one game. he should given his stinker teams of the past two years. are you predicting a repeat?

[Giants8307]

The 2003-2004 team was not a stinker. They made the Big West Championship, as I have already noted.

[jayandbutton]

we are talking about last year's 5-22 epic production and this year's group who barely could beat a CCAA power like...gulp...cal-san diego, giants. you should hire greg kamansky as your coach assuming allison is smart enough to do that. and while she's at it paul thomas would do a lot more with your women.

good luck mustangs with stanford. see if you can repeat the irvine magic. and btw, northridge just beat USC. hurray for the cal state schools!

[lakdod]

Yeah good luck against Stanford. I actually hope the best for SLO athlethics but I am one those people who will state wheter a team is good or bad even if I love the team to death. I think that if Pomona went up there and beat SLO it will change SLO program for the good.

[jayandbutton]

there is a web site that lists relative power ratings among the divisons of the NCAA. last year the broncos would have finished fourth or fifth in the big west conference had it played there. this year i would guess it would be more like sixth since we lost two all americans from the elite eight team. but still well ahead of the lowly mustangs and pathetic highlanders from riverside. man, do they suck!

btw, bakersfield is putting a big campaign on to leave our league and join the big west just like almost everybody else (ie, riverside, davis, SLO, and even earlier, fullerton and northridge) have done. the big west has gone from UNLV, Nevada, New Mexico State, Utah State, etc., to a cali bus league.

[lakdod]

I would love for Cal Poly Pomona to move up to Division I but I do not think it will happen for a while. We do not have the sports facilities for alot of sports like Bakersfield and the other schools that have left for DIV I. If Bakersfield leave that means San Berndino, Chico state, and us will dominate the conference for years. Also does anybody know the main reason why we wont move up to DIV I.

[xiaoxue]

Originally Posted by lakdod

I would love for Cal Poly Pomona to move up to Division I but I do not think it will happen for a while. We do not have the sports facilities for alot of sports like Bakersfield and the other schools that have left for DIV I. If Bakersfield leave that means San Berndino, Chico state, and us will dominate the conference for years. Also does anybody know the main reason why we wont move up to DIV I.

the news says that bakersfield has to raise SIX MILLION BUCKS just this year to apply for DI. what that means is that poly north, fullerton, northridge, beach, davis, riverside and all those schools just stepped up and got it done. here in pomona we're in this sleepy valley, watching the cows chew their lunch, while the whole world passes us by.

but guess what, you are thought to be like those schools you play. so our broncos have the huge test of duh, northwest nazarene, whatever that is.

[lakdod]

I was watching the UCLA vs Memphis I saw SLO was beating a decent Fresno St team at half 38-30. Then I check on the internet and see SLO got destroyed in the second half. I guess SLO did not play defense in the second half allowing 55 pts to fresno st. Well nice try against a quality div I team and again good luck against Stanford next week. Hopefully you keep it close but I think that Hernandez will kill your guards.

[jayandbutton]

the mustangs did play well in the first half. putting a whole game together against even a halfway decent DI team has eluded this program since the BWC tournament two years ago. the good news is that the league still has riverside which stinks even more than poly. highlanders have a new coach who thinks he can play run and gun with inferior talent. won't happen.

as for hernandez he is for real. that said, the bronco guards shut him down with our very nasty defense. he shot 1-for-4. but he also can distribute the ball. poly south got creamed by their 6-11 big man who shot EIGHTY per cent from the field, many on dunks. poly north is in the same boat. nobody on the mustang roster can match up with that horse, and if you double team him chris will go lights out.

stanford by at least twenty. but then mustangs go back to their level with stanislaus state. and they do get to play riverside twice still. let's say 'stangs go 7-20 this year which actually is a move up.

[xiaoxue]

Bronco men are back on track with the same two heros, Neon Dion hits a crucial trey and then J-28 Boyd seals the deal again with two free throws down the stretch. Final score 70-66. The boys are still ranked fifteenth until the new poll comes out and are 2-1. Cook and Boyd are rock solid. Now K-D needs to step up with his size and strength and Hervey needs to start showing some leadership given his four-year starter status. These two dudes simply must start showing up and contributing more.

As for the mighty Mustangs, let's see if they can do any better against STanford than little brother did. I doubt it.

[jayandbutton]

As for the mighty Mustangs, let's see if they can do any better against STanford than little brother did. I doubt it.[/quote]

mustangs are doing a little better than broncos against stanford. right now it's the cardinal by eight with lots of time still to play.

[xiaoxue]

Originally Posted by jayandbutton

As for the mighty Mustangs, let's see if they can do any better against STanford than little brother did. I doubt it.

mustangs are doing a little better than broncos against stanford. right now it's the cardinal by eight with lots of time still to play.[/quote]

Too bad there was lots of time left jay, because what happened was a second half BLOWOUT of the Mustangs, but then you predicted that. Looks like the two poly teams are pretty close this year in talent unlike last when the Broncos were way better.

[Young Entrepreneur]

“The students would have to vote on a fee referendum that would amount to at least $1 million for the first few years,” said former Director of Student Programs Maryann Tolano-Leveque. “That would mean Cal Poly students would have to vote to increase their tuition by $50 a year and probably to $150 for the first two years.”

For a fee referendum, a petition from at least 10 percent of the student population is needed to have a vote before the Associated Students Incorporated Senate. Approval from two-thirds of the senate is needed to pass. Then the referendum is sent to the Fee Advisory Board, where majority rules. When it is passed, it is sent to the university president for approval.

“Since 1982, there has never been a football petition to bring back the program,” said Executive Director of ASI Cora Culla.

To get a football program back, Cal Poly would have to start from scratch and do some major work to Kellogg Field.

At Humboldt State University, the Lumberjack football program spends about $500,000 per year. This includes coaches’ salaries and benefits, recruiting, equipment, travel, food and lodging. The university pays for any work that is done on the stadium.

“What makes our program so strong is our rich 77 years of tradition,” said Humboldt State Athletic Director Dan Collen. “We are also blessed with corporate sponsors, college patrons and alumni that help the program tremendously.”

Traveling is another big issue when it comes to a Cal Poly football team. Humboldt State is the only Division II football team in California. Therefore, Cal Poly would have travel to the Midwest and East Coast where Division II schools are more prevalent.

The Cal Poly football team was dissolved because of declining attendance, losing seasons and it was draining other sports programs.

“It was a real void when football left campus,” said Cal Poly Associate Vice President Ron Simons. “Nothing has ever made up for it.”

“It really was bleeding revenue from all our other sports,” said Simons. “On the positive side, as a result of football leaving campus, our other sports wouldn’t have boosted. Cal Poly volleyball and basketball have made a huge impact on our campus.”

One man eager to see Cal Poly back no matter what the cost is former Bronco Offensive Lineman Mike Esquivel, who is now the equipment manager for the Athletics Department.

“I would love to see football back so I can be the head coach and teach the players how it was back then. Tough, hard, no water breaks unless you really need it,” said Esquivel.

Esquivel, who has been Cal Poly’s equipment manager for 22 years, played football for the Broncos for two seasons after transferring from Palomar College in San Marcos.

“Football is still in my blood,” said Esquivel. “Football is truly missed on this campus. There has to be another way to bring football back.”


Do you think we still got a chance for a football team in the future?

[jayandbutton]

unless you know some billionaire who wants to throw money away. would love to see it happen, but it won't. look at how many schools in the entire 23 campus CSU have kept football: san diego, san jose (barely hanging on by a thread), SLO, sacramento, fresno, and humboldt. that's barely one quarter. only fresno among this group has had major national support and visibility and big time crowds. poly north must play in the dakotas to get opponents since they are not IA like fresno, san diego and (marginally) san jose. the only real rival they have is davis.
on the UC side only cal, LA and davis field teams.

the smarter play would be to upgrade what you have and focus on top tier basketball and baseball, both of which draw well when you have winning traditions. we have won multiple national championships in baseball and that should return. mens volleyball also is a good bet in this area. further, we once had a championship level DI softball program that also was eliminated. students should press to get the broncos into the big west conference to play schools more like themselves and also compete with non conference teams we have heard of.

[Young Entrepreneur]

so ultimately, it is not a good investment because there are not enough teams to challenge on the West Coast, in Southern CA?

[Admin]

That is only one part of the reason. The competitors within our division are mostly on the East Coast according to the Poly Post article, not enough funds to support the project from the start and for the operation. And unless the student's registration fee increases over one hundred dollars each quarter, the university can not manage sufficient funds for the operation. In my opinion, I don't even think the preliminary votes during the initial stage will even get passed because a large percentage of Cal Poly Pomona students will vote against it.

Originally Posted by Young Entrepreneur

so ultimately, it is not a good investment because there are not enough teams to challenge on the West Coast, in Southern CA?