Are leaders born from Cal Poly Pomona?

***Admin*** · 07-28-04, 09:41 PM

Are leaders born from Cal Poly Pomona university? Or are we, as students not taught to become future leaders in the business world?

"The CSU is a leader in high-quality, accessible, student-focused higher education. With 23 campuses, 409,000 students, and 44,000 faculty and staff, we are the largest, the most diverse, and one of the most affordable university systems in the country. We offer unlimited opportunities to help students achieve their goals. We prepare graduates who go on to make a difference in the workforce. And we play a vital role in the growth and development of California's economy.
That's what it means to be a leader.
That's the California State University."
Source: calstate.edu website

The College of Business is currently coming up with a new draft. Guess what, the department excludes any idea and beliefs that Cal Poly Pomona students will ever become leaders or play a leadership role in the business field. Teaching students to become leaders is not a priority for the College of Business (might include other departments as well).

But that goes against Cal State University's statement (quoted above). I'm sure we want to receive the best education that Cal Poly Pomona has to offer and I don't think leadership should be excluded in our lectures.

ak · 07-28-04, 10:14 PM

Honestly, I don't think CPP is preparing us to be leaders (i'm engineering anyway).

Umpsy · 07-29-04, 01:23 PM

As an engineering major myself, I don't feel CPP is preparing us to be leaders. There seems to be more of a worker bee mentality. But hey, everyone can't be a leader right? I would personally like to see an option course of somewhere along the lines of Engineering management. I would be really really interested to learn which aspects of the industry the Engineer can run and how they do it.

Ketcham82 · 07-29-04, 08:49 PM

Grades, mid-terms, classroom assignments and books are the daily mantras that this system, the public education system, uses to produce "a workforce."

According to CSU Chancellor Charles Reed, CSU students are not bound to be leaders, they are bound to be part of the workforce that generates millions of dollars to the economy in taxes each year. Public schools do not teach students how to lead. That's up to schools like Oxford, Yale or Harvard.

At CSU's, we're taught to think like sheep: think about your own thing, think about your videogames, think about your classes, you projects and more importantly, your grades. It's a good way to keep your mind off the things that really matter, for example, how school tuition keeps going up and no one seems to care. People who care, and who realize their potential to do something about it, are real leaders. Most of the people that you see at Cal Poly, day in and day out, are like sheep ... all hurdling to their next class or rushing to get in line at Panda Express. Gosh, gotta beat rush hour.

In the past four years that I've been at Cal Poly I've noticed that there aren't that many people who care about the things that really matter. It's no wonder how some students end up graduating from college without even having the skills to write proper English. And sometimes that's not their fault. It's the institution, it's the system. The system teaches you to think about one thing only: conformity. Just do whatever everyone else is doing and you'll be fine, those administrators up at the CLA building say.

So keep dreaming about the perfect "ride" or all the "fine" girls around the quad, and definitely keep worrying about those grades because you want to make sure that it is the grades that determine your future, not your overall college experience.

At Cal Poly, we have a lot of great people who put a lot of time into stuff that really matters and they are the ones that end up moving up to leadership positions in the future, while most of you will end up following the deadend trail of life.

***Admin*** · 07-30-04, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ketcham82

At Cal Poly, we have a lot of great people who put a lot of time into stuff that really matters and they are the ones that end up moving up to leadership positions in the future, while most of you will end up following the deadend trail of life.

Ouch! Great post Ketcham82. Someone should write about this in the Poly Post newspaper. I'm so thankful to Mr. Walsh, my high school English teacher for introducing to the class, Brave New World by Aldous Huxley.

I think the entire education system should stay as it is. The elite institutions should continue striving to teach their students to lead the world while the state universities teach their students to become efficient workers. Things will not change.
Is all part of life and maybe life is too short to worry about many things. I believe life is not all about getting good grades, finding that "perfect" job, buying a house & cars, and retiring with your hard-earned money.

BTW, I'm one of the students that can't write English properly.

Umpsy · 07-30-04, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KayCee

Ouch! Great post Ketcham82. Someone should write about this in the Poly Post newspaper. I'm so thankful to Mr. Walsh, my high school English teacher for introducing to the class, Brave New World by Aldous Huxley.

I think the entire education system should stay as it is. The elite institutions should continue striving to teach their students to lead the world while the state universities teach their students to become efficient workers. Things will not change.
Is all part of life and maybe life is too short to worry about many things. I believe life is not all about getting good grades, finding that "perfect" job, buying a house & cars, and retiring with your hard-earned money.

BTW, I'm one of the students that can't write English properly.

The only problem with this is it precludes that America is supposed to be a land of oppurtunity not a land of oppurtunism. Brave New World is my favorite book btw.

***Admin*** · 08-04-04, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Umpsy

The only problem with this is it precludes that America is supposed to be a land of oppurtunity not a land of oppurtunism. Brave New World is my favorite book btw.

See my sig. Brave New World is my favorite book too.
I guess things are just the way it is and those that seek hard enough are the ones who succeed.

07-28-04, 09:41 PM	#1 (permalink)
*Admin* Think About It Joined: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 4,961	Are leaders born from Cal Poly Pomona? Are leaders born from Cal Poly Pomona university? Or are we, as students not taught to become future leaders in the business world? "The CSU is a leader in high-quality, accessible, student-focused higher education. With 23 campuses, 409,000 students, and 44,000 faculty and staff, we are the largest, the most diverse, and one of the most affordable university systems in the country. We offer unlimited opportunities to help students achieve their goals. We prepare graduates who go on to make a difference in the workforce. And we play a vital role in the growth and development of California's economy. That's what it means to be a leader. That's the California State University." Source: calstate.edu website The College of Business is currently coming up with a new draft. Guess what, the department excludes any idea and beliefs that Cal Poly Pomona students will ever become leaders or play a leadership role in the business field. Teaching students to become leaders is not a priority for the College of Business (might include other departments as well). But that goes against Cal State University's statement (quoted above). I'm sure we want to receive the best education that Cal Poly Pomona has to offer and I don't think leadership should be excluded in our lectures. __________________ Cal Poly Forums

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ak Cal Poly Guru Joined: Oct 2003 Location: LA Posts: 605	Honestly, I don't think CPP is preparing us to be leaders (i'm engineering anyway). __________________ If you think education is expensive, try ignorance. Education is the progressive discovery of our own ignorance.

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Umpsy Newcomer Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 18	As an engineering major myself, I don't feel CPP is preparing us to be leaders. There seems to be more of a worker bee mentality. But hey, everyone can't be a leader right? I would personally like to see an option course of somewhere along the lines of Engineering management. I would be really really interested to learn which aspects of the industry the Engineer can run and how they do it.

07-29-04, 08:49 PM	#4 (permalink)
Ketcham82 Enthusiast Joined: Dec 2003 Location: Covina Posts: 188	Grades, mid-terms, classroom assignments and books are the daily mantras that this system, the public education system, uses to produce "a workforce." According to CSU Chancellor Charles Reed, CSU students are not bound to be leaders, they are bound to be part of the workforce that generates millions of dollars to the economy in taxes each year. Public schools do not teach students how to lead. That's up to schools like Oxford, Yale or Harvard. At CSU's, we're taught to think like sheep: think about your own thing, think about your videogames, think about your classes, you projects and more importantly, your grades. It's a good way to keep your mind off the things that really matter, for example, how school tuition keeps going up and no one seems to care. People who care, and who realize their potential to do something about it, are real leaders. Most of the people that you see at Cal Poly, day in and day out, are like sheep ... all hurdling to their next class or rushing to get in line at Panda Express. Gosh, gotta beat rush hour. In the past four years that I've been at Cal Poly I've noticed that there aren't that many people who care about the things that really matter. It's no wonder how some students end up graduating from college without even having the skills to write proper English. And sometimes that's not their fault. It's the institution, it's the system. The system teaches you to think about one thing only: conformity. Just do whatever everyone else is doing and you'll be fine, those administrators up at the CLA building say. So keep dreaming about the perfect "ride" or all the "fine" girls around the quad, and definitely keep worrying about those grades because you want to make sure that it is the grades that determine your future, not your overall college experience. At Cal Poly, we have a lot of great people who put a lot of time into stuff that really matters and they are the ones that end up moving up to leadership positions in the future, while most of you will end up following the deadend trail of life.