The Gang That Can't Shoot Straight

[xiaoxue]

very ugly night against chico state. sure, we expected the ladies to lose against a good team but the men were playing at home for the conference lead against a 3-8 club with a three game winning streak.

UGH.

when will these guys learn how to shoot? when will they stop going to raining off beam threes when behind? when will they play with some heart and intensity?

UGH.

hervey is supposed to be the team leader. to do that he must find the basket once in awhile. instead, we get a 4-11 shooting performance including only 25 per cent from downtown (2-8) and even worse, 33 per cent (2-6) from free throws!!! get some heart, II. you are a senior now.

my grandma and little sister can do better than that from the stripe and so can yours.

and where was melvyn? four minutes and nothing? is he in the doghouse?

and lack of intensity. 18 rebounds? for the game? that's pathetic. yeah, chico was hot. they shot sixty per cent against our 43, including 34 from downtown. but compare the line percentages where chico won, 94 to 59!

the girls are done. worst team in years. only hope coach k. can rally the troops for tonights' game.

[lakdod]

It was Friday the 13th and it was a full moon and Everything went wrong against Chico. I am disappointed about the lost, but this is only there second loss in conference. Last year they had 4 or 5 amd still took conference. I think this loss will lead the team to a nice winning streak.

[xiaoxue]

men and women rebound sat nite nicely against weak competition. women remain in bottom half of conference standings but men are in four way tie for second now with a gigantic showdown at san bernardino friday nite. both teams are 4-2 in league.

JBoyd lit it up for 31 points, including seven threes and was on fire. Neon added 22 and boys ran away with it. they had to hold the ball in the final minute to avoid scoring 100. Boyd is simply deadly, particularly at the line. He has become the leader of this team.

hervey is still in a long funk. while everybody else on the team was torching the nets he threw up five clunkers from long range and made none and was 2-9 overall. ugly. for the weekend he was 6-20 (30 per cent) and an even more ridiculous 2-13 from downtown (15 per cent). pass the ball, II, cuz you don't know how to shoot straight. give it to anybody. maybe if coach k. starts hoffman instead the men can continue to contend.

[lakdod]

Originally Posted by xiaoxue

hervey is still in a long funk. while everybody else on the team was torching the nets he threw up five clunkers from long range and made none and was 2-9 overall. ugly. for the weekend he was 6-20 (30 per cent) and an even more ridiculous 2-13 from downtown (15 per cent). pass the ball, II, cuz you don't know how to shoot straight. give it to anybody. maybe if coach k. starts hoffman instead the men can continue to contend.

Wow one cold weekend for Hervey and you already calling for him to be bench. All players will go through a cold streak and Hervey is going through it right now he will soon got out of his cold streak. Hoffman is starting the game along with Hervey, Dion, Neveu, and either Boyd, or Gordon depending on the match up.

[jayandbutton]

Originally Posted by lakdod

Wow one cold weekend for Hervey and you already calling for him to be bench. All players will go through a cold streak and Hervey is going through it right now he will soon got out of his cold streak. Hoffman is starting the game along with Hervey, Dion, Neveu, and either Boyd, or Gordon depending on the match up.

hervey is not a scorer and never has been. he rarely breaks into double figures in scoring even when his game is on. the reason coach k. starts him is for his defensive intensity. obviously it was lacking against chico and as noted he had a very bad weekend.

the other reason boyd does not start sometimes is not for his better numbers for that is obvious. he just does better coming in as the sixth man. nobody expected him to be up there with cook as scoring leader but here he is. that is a plus.

we have gotten spoiled watching the dyamic duo of jeff and david light it up and need to realize this team must rely on more balanced scoring.

big test over at san bern friday. that road W and then the trip to la jolla and the men are right in it.

[xiaoxue]

jay and la,
...if scoring is not his role what the #@&%? is hervey doing taking twenty shots? and thirteen of them from long range? waht is he doing on the offensive end?

if not scoring shouldn't he be distributing to scorers?

we should have won that chico game. now we are two games back in the race and have no more room for mistakes.

[lakdod]

Originally Posted by xiaoxue

jay and la,
...if scoring is not his role what the #@&%? is hervey doing taking twenty shots? and thirteen of them from long range? waht is he doing on the offensive end?

if not scoring shouldn't he be distributing to scorers?

we should have won that chico game. now we are two games back in the race and have no more room for mistakes.

I do not know the answer. Jay has made me think alot about this team especially about Hervey. His stats are true about Hervey barely breaking 10 pts in a game. He has only 6 games with 10 or more points.

The reason why we lost to Chico is because we could not stop there offense here are some stats that amazed me. If a team shoots 60% from the field and 60% 3-PT line a team desrved to win which Chico did.
FG% 1st Half 14-20 70.0% 2nd Half 10-20 50.0%
3-PT % 1st Half: 7-10 70.0% 2nd Half: 5-10 50.0%

[jayandbutton]

you are right. chico was on fire and came into the game in much the same fashion as sonoma did last year and stole one in our house.

but now that's done and let's hope the boys learned something. let's hope they learned that nobody wins on our floor for the rest of the year. the boys have lost three times at home already and that's enough.

luckily the coyotes are down this year, their worst team in a decade. if the guys can get a road sweep this weekend that would be huge.

i see promising signs. kevin continues to refine his game and dion is going off. i just don't understand what has happened to melvyn. if he comes back up to potential then you have dion and boyd as primary scoring options with melvyn the unknown threat. if hervey gets back into distribution and notches up his "D" we can do well this weekend.

FREE THROWS, FREE THROWS, FREE THROWS.

[xiaoxue]

LAKDOD,
i am not getting on hervey's case for a bad game. he's having a bad SEASON.

check out the facts:

JBoyd 35-72 3PT FG%=.486
Hervy 19-68 =.279

JBoyd 20-29 FT%=.718
Hervy 13-26 =.500

hervey needs to either sit on the bench or pass the ball. since hoffman's numbers are down in hervey land it's a wash. and II is the better defender most of the time. somebody just needs to tell him to stop shooting so much.

[lakdod]

Originally Posted by xiaoxue

LAKDOD,
i am not getting on hervey's case for a bad game. he's having a bad SEASON.

check out the facts:

JBoyd 35-72 3PT FG%=.486
Hervy 19-68 =.279

JBoyd 20-29 FT%=.718
Hervy 13-26 =.500

hervey needs to either sit on the bench or pass the ball. since hoffman's numbers are down in hervey land it's a wash. and II is the better defender most of the time. somebody just needs to tell him to stop shooting so much.

I look at his stats this weekend and I agree that Hervy is having a bad season especially from the three point line. I guess the game that I watch I think that Hervey is doing a good job, but I guess i was wrong because the stats proved it.

[lakdod]

Originally Posted by jayandbutton

big test over at san bern friday. that road W and then the trip to la jolla and the men are right in it.

They better win I just decided I am going to make the drive up to San Bern to watch the Broncos defeat the Coyotes.

[xiaoxue]

Originally Posted by jayandbutton

i see promising signs. kevin continues to refine his game and dion is going off. i just don't understand what has happened to melvyn. if he comes back up to potential then you have dion and boyd as primary scoring options with melvyn the unknown threat. if hervey gets back into distribution and notches up his "D" we can do well this weekend.

FREE THROWS, FREE THROWS, FREE THROWS.

wow, you nailed it, JB. broncos shoot a miserable 8 for 17 from the line and blow a 48-38 lead, losing to the coyotes, 70-61. dion and melvyn combine for a whopping 1 for 8 for their free throws. unbelievable. the boys actually shot better from long distance with guys trying to block their shots (9-18) than free ones. go figure. JBoyd once again led the team and is nearing the lead in the nation for 3-point percentage. he is providing the senior leadership the boys need but way too many clunkers that should be automatic. opposing teams now are changing their strategies to hack-a-shaq since we can't hit those freebies.

nice crowd. we had several hundred fans drive over among the 1,300 or so that attended including the band and cheer team. way to go, green and gold.

the ladies are the worst in many, many years. they got beat by 23 and fall to 6-8. a far cry from those national title teams. but maybe boyd can carry the guys to the tourney still.

[lakdod]

Free throw shots are killing the broncos. I can not believe that Melvin shot an air-ball from the free throw line, and his second one was almost as bad. Watching the last three game I see that teams are killing us from 3 pt land. The team needs to rotate quicker to the open 3 pt shooter. If they would of rotate better during the game I think the Broncos would of not lost to Chico and San Bern. We had a nice crowd at the game. When the Coyotes come down and play the Broncos I hope we can get a nice crowd.

I did not catch any of the Women's game but I heard they look really bad. I heard Mt. Sac has really good women basketball team maybe we can get some of those players for next year.

[xiaoxue]

Originally Posted by jayandbutton

FREE THROWS, FREE THROWS, FREE THROWS.

did anybody notice the stats on this?

we got beat by a margin of 82 to 47 per cent!!!!!

i wonder if this is an all time record. if i were coach k. i would make these guys shoot charities all night long until each of them can make ten in a row. this is really getting ridiculous. my JUNIOR HIGH stats in this category was 74 per cent and i did not even lead my eighth grade team.

hack a shaq is working and if this continues no postseason for the men. and the women twice have broken their own all time record for worst margin of loss ever.

and you are right. both melvyn and malone had air ball shots. horrible.

stay tuned via webcast for the doubleheader with the tritons tonight. looks like a must win for the men and a shot at some dignity for the once mighty women.

[lakdod]

Tough loss for the Broncos against UC San Diego 83-79 in OT.The Broncos playoff hope is slim to none in my opinion. The only way that the Broncos make the playoffs if they win out. This game they had 22 turnovers and most of the first half they had more turnovers then basket made.

Team shot 78% FT which is alot better from the game against San Bern, but Dion needed to make both FT instead of one at the end of regulation.Maybe the Broncos would of had a victory, but we will never know.
Positive is that Melvyn had 22 pts, JBod with 13 and i will give some props to Krause who is bascially sitting at the end of the bench scores 4 pts and had a couple of Rebs.

Womens team just broke another record this time scoring the least amount of pts in a game with 36 pts. Well atleast they did not lose by 40.

After this loss I am almost ready to talk about next season.

[xiaoxue]

Originally Posted by lakdod

Tough loss for the Broncos against UC San Diego 83-79 in OT.The Broncos playoff hope is slim to none in my opinion. The only way that the Broncos make the playoffs if they win out. This game they had 22 turnovers and most of the first half they had more turnovers then basket made.

Team shot 78% FT which is alot better from the game against San Bern, but Dion needed to make both FT instead of one at the end of regulation.Maybe the Broncos would of had a victory, but we will never know.
Positive is that Melvyn had 22 pts, JBod with 13 and i will give some props to Krause who is bascially sitting at the end of the bench scores 4 pts and had a couple of Rebs.

Womens team just broke another record this time scoring the least amount of pts in a game with 36 pts. Well atleast they did not lose by 40.

After this loss I am almost ready to talk about next season.

don't give up yet. we have good personnel but am beginning to wonder about the coaches choices. i listened to the game and have to wonder why jboyd is the second leading scorer on the team (he ususally is either first or second) and he adds three steals and shoots 1.000 from the line and he plays only 23 minutes? why? i have heard that coach likes for him to come in and not start but then what? put him back on the bench? if he had played the full game we probably would have won. he is one of the nation's deadliest shooters from long range and he is totally clutch on the line and he sits on the bench? was he injured or something?

i know i am not a big malone fan but if he is as the radio announcer says "the heart and soul of the team" then this explains why this is the worst team we've had in at least five years and one that refuses to win the close ones. where is the heart, hervey? san diego is a non scholarship program, meaning these guys are walk ons. and why is hervey playing 37 minutes when once again he has proven we are almost always less effective with him playing? check out the box score. he only scored four points with zero rebounds and shot 33 per cent of his free throws while the entire team shot 78 per cent. this is the team leader? while hervey played 37 minutes with four points larry gordon played only 9 minutes and scored seven! coach, give these other guys who are producing more minutes. last night it was gordon, melvyn, the always reliable boyd and surprisingly kyle krause. then maybe you can save this season. you have the talent. send the heart and soul to a cardiologist for a tuneup.

the women have gone from a bad team to a humiliating one. this may be the worst womens team in history. we were more competitive at the start of the season against the university of arizona in tucson then we are now. and we recently have been pummeled by scores of 96-54, 90-47 and last night 68-36. hard to believe this is a five time national title team. sure hope we're not seeing the end of a dynasty just like we have in baseball recently. ugly.

[jayandbutton]

[quote=xiaoxue]
i know i am not a big malone fan but if he is as the radio announcer says "the heart and soul of the team" then this explains why this is the worst team we've had in at least five years and one that refuses to win the close ones. where is the heart, hervey? san diego is a non scholarship program, meaning these guys are walk ons. and why is hervey playing 37 minutes when once again he has proven we are almost always less effective with him playing? check out the box score. he only scored four points with zero rebounds and shot 33 per cent of his free throws while the entire team shot 78 per cent. this is the team leader? while hervey played 37 minutes with four points larry gordon played only 9 minutes and scored seven! send the heart and soul to a cardiologist for a tuneup.

xiaoxue, you are making a lot of valid points. but i doubt nobody is as down on hervey as he is on himself. he was all conference last year, but apparently he was more comfortable in a supporting role with jeff and david leading the team. now he's uncomfortable as the team leader and his declining stats prove it. he never has been an accurate shooter, but his defensive energy justified his starting job and paul helms' "heart and soul" label. but sadly this year the team is just not making the vital defensive stops it made last year, and you must look to your top defender to step up when the chips are down.

i agree that boyd is getting the short end of the stick, particularly since he is clearly the most productive player on the team. perhaps benching hervey will work to re-energize malone and this team. if boyd is really that spooked by starting i'd try larry gordon at number two with hoffman at point and then boyd coming in at the first break.

coach k. has to shake the tree hard immediately as we are en route to a .500 season--or gasp, even worse--and the tag of being a so-so team. the men must play huge at dominquez hills wednesday night or kiss the playoffs goodbye.

[xiaoxue]

i predict coach will rally the troops tomorrow night. it's a must win situation and then will win again saturday at home. we are still four games behind so no league title this year. if LG and melvyn keep stepping up their games and hervey learns the fine art of being a playmaker rather than a very bad shooter we are there. that said, the guys can only lose one, maybe two, more to sneak into playoffs. no room for error anymore. that means a W at bakersfield and possibly against undefeated sonoma.

the women lose again. i doubt they ever in history have been underdogs to dominguez hills of all places but this is a bad, bad team. season is done and they may not even crawl back to .500.

[jayandbutton]

Originally Posted by xiaoxue

i predict coach will rally the troops tomorrow night. it's a must win situation and then will win again saturday at home. we are still four games behind so no league title this year. if LG and melvyn keep stepping up their games and hervey learns the fine art of being a playmaker rather than a very bad shooter we are there. that said, the guys can only lose one, maybe two, more to sneak into playoffs. no room for error anymore. that means a W at bakersfield and possibly against undefeated sonoma.

the women lose again. i doubt they ever in history have been underdogs to dominguez hills of all places but this is a bad, bad team. season is done and they may not even crawl back to .500.

yes, this game is HUGE. and dominquez is 4-3 at home with a point guard in carlos rivers who has been very hot lately along with one of the league's top scorers in mario malave. this one is hardly a freebie.

i checked the stats and you are dead on about larry gordon. this dude is averaging only 19 minutes per game and yet leads the entire team in rebounds with 73, with almost half of them of the much tougher offensive variety. he is hitting on almost 55 per cent of his shots, including those from distance, and almost 73 per cent of his free throws. by comparison, hervey malone leads the entire team in minutes (489), yet has the worst FG % among starters (41.9%), the worst three point average (29.3%), and the worst free throw average as well (48.4%). his numbers were far better last year and even the year before when he wasn't the alleged leader.

the numbers, the documented performance and your analysis have convinced me. i would start gordon over malone. he has earned the shot. this could be the energy the broncos need to save the season. business as usual just isn't getting it done.

sure hope one of the coaches notice before it's too late.