CPP ranked 31st in West, loses "Best in West" honor

jayandbutton · 08-22-07, 09:55 AM

The US News and World Report fall 2007 rankings are out, and Cal Poly Pomona is tied for 31st among regional universities in the West, way behind its sister school at SLO which remains a couple dozen spots ahead in the Top Ten.

Back in the 1990s CPP also was a Top Ten USNWR program but has been on a fifteen year slide.

And more bad news. The Princeton Review has dropped CPP from its Best in the West list. All of the UC schools (save startup Merced) remain on the list along with many Cal States including nearby San Bernardino and Long Beach. Also, many privates nearby are included, including Whittier, Azusa Pacific, Chapman, Pepperdine, Claremont and Redlands.

What does this mean? We're just not keeping up with the "Joneses," schools with better vision and leadership, and as a result our programs are sliding down in rank and stature, and better students will go elsewhere.

xiaoxue · 08-23-07, 08:31 AM

i'm not at all surprised by this news. a lot of people say the princeton review is a more credible source for quality than us news and world report since its connected to kaplan. either way, it's more evidence that we are not the school we once were and that other cal states are blowing by us. in my high school we laughed at going to cal state san bernadino. now they have the fourth best entrepreneurship program in the nation and are ranked by princeton review as best in the west are we have neither of those.

thank goodness for architecture and engineering to save us. in the college of business we are beyond hopeless. check out www.studentsreview.com and see more evidence of that. we're ranked below almost everyone on that site, particualy in business. i'm going anywhere else for grad school because our MBA program is a joke.

***Admin*** · 08-23-07, 12:42 PM

Yikes! The College of Business is going downhill and I only hope that the other colleges are not following their footsteps.

The university trustees and directors surely know by now that the institution is losing its rank each year and surely they know that college bounds look at these national ranks for their college decisions. Some of these colleges need to make drastic changes and make better decisions and investments to achieve a higher rank and/or improvements.

Cal Poly Pomona's Polycentric campus news: Cal Poly Pomona Ranked Among Top Public Universities in the West

xiaoxue · 08-25-07, 10:56 AM

yeh, isn't it interesting how the university likes to "spin" this story that we're one of the "top" universities. they do it by first making us a regional, then making us a nondoctoral regional, and then making us a public nondoctoral regional. and even then we can't beat out little chico state? and princeton revew places us below san dirtball state?

but hey, maybe we're the best college in the city of pomona? or would that be devry or that medical college downtown? maybe we're a close second?

jayandbutton · 08-25-07, 11:01 AM

The Polycentric headline is very deceptive.

We are nowhere among the top publics in the West as the headline says. That would place us in the league of Cal, UCLA and UCSD along with other great state universities.

You have to read the story to see the clarification under the asterisk, "Masters."

***Admin*** · 08-27-07, 09:31 AM

Great points, but why blame the university for spinning the headline. It's their job to make the institution attractive as possible to bring in college bounds.

But it is still sad to see the school dropping while our neighboring Cal State universities are improving in the academic rank.

PL28 · 08-28-07, 02:01 PM

I agree, it’s to the University's benefits to point out to prospective students their strong points rather than the negative.

I believe we still have few strong engineering and science departments. Hopefully they can leverage on that and continue to build and improve our school.

***Admin*** · 08-28-07, 03:57 PM

How did the Cal Poly Pomona's Engineering department, Architecture, Hotel Management, and agriculture rank for both the Princeton Review and the US News World Report? From what I know, these departments outranked the College of Business.

xiaoxue · 08-29-07, 09:02 PM

as i recall engineering and architecture are still ranked, so they are propping up the rest of the university. some departments in CLASS are pretty good for the cal state system, and ag just keeps rolling along.

business is the largest college and now probably the worst. jb reports more than 70 teachers leaving business in just the past two years. and lots of students show how unhappy they are on that studentsreview web site.

PL28 · 09-06-07, 09:35 AM

Here are some rankings pull from our Cal Poly Pomona website:

Cal Poly Pomona is 14th overall in the nation for top undergraduate programs in engineering, according to the U.S. News & World Report 2006 College Rankings: Universities-Master’s category. Of the top 14 schools, only five are public schools, which makes Cal Poly Pomona the 5th best public school for engineering in the U.S. (San Luis Obispo, U.S. Military Academic, U.S. Naval Academy, U.S. Air Force Academy).

Cal Poly Pomona is 9th overall in the nation for top Civil Engineering undergraduate programs, according to the U.S. News & World Report 2006 College Rankings: Universities-Master’s category. Of the top 9 schools, only four are public schools, which makes Cal Poly Pomona the 4th best public school for Civil Engineering in the U.S.

Cal Poly Pomona is 13th overall in the nation for top Electrical Engineering undergraduate programs, according to the U.S. News & World Report 2006 College Rankings: Universities-Master’s category. Of the top 13 schools, only six are public schools, which makes Cal Poly Pomona the 6th best public school for Electrical Engineering in the U.S.

Cal Poly Pomona is 15th overall in the nation for top Mechanical Engineering undergraduate programs, according to the U.S. News & World Report 2006 College Rankings: Universities-Master’s category. Of the top 15 schools, only five are public schools, which makes Cal Poly Pomona the 5th best public school for Mechanical Engineering in the U.S.

Cal Poly Pomona ranks #1 in California for number of underrepresented minority engineers graduated.

The University:

Cal Poly Pomona is 4th overall in the category of Top Public Schools in the West Region (15 states), according to the U.S. News & World Report 2006 College Rankings: Universities-Master’s category (San Luis Obispo, Western Washington (WA), Long Beach).

Cal Poly Pomona is 31st overall in the category of top universities in the West Region amongst all private and public schools according to the U.S. News & World Report 2006 College Rankings: Universities-Master’s category.

Cal Poly Pomona is 4th overall in the West for campus diversity amongst all private and public schools, according to the U.S. News & World Report 2006 College Rankings: Universities-Master’s category (La Sierra, Dominguez Hills, Holy Names). Cal Poly Pomona is only four-hundredths (0.04) of a point from being the most diverse university in the nation.

Cal Poly Pomona is 17th overall in the nation for lowest acceptance rates, according to the U.S. News & World Report 2006 College Rankings: Universities-Master’s category. Of the top 17 schools, only five are public schools, which makes Cal Poly Pomona the 5th most competitive in terms of admissions in the U.S. Cal Poly Pomona is 2nd in the West Region for lowest acceptance rates.

Cal Poly Pomona is the 3rd highest rated regional university in the West according to Project Connect 2003, a survey by the market research firm Carnegie Communication. The university was also 8th most popular among students.

Cal Poly Pomona is 23rd overall nationally in awarding baccalaureate degrees to minority students according to the national magazine Black Issues in Higher Education (June, 2005).

Cal Poly Pomona is 14th overall nationally in awarding baccalaureate degrees to Asian students according to the national magazine Black Issues in Higher Education (June, 2005).

Cal Poly Pomona is 22nd overall nationally in awarding baccalaureate degrees to Hispanic students according to the national magazine Black Issues in Higher Education (June, 2005).

jayandbutton · 09-06-07, 03:47 PM

this was an outstanding post, 28, one that clearly shows how engineering is keeping the rest of the university propped up. a decade ago we were ranked in a half dozen disciplines outside of engineering, notably majors in science, architecture, hospitality management, agriculture and business. now we're down to one college holding the fort while the others seem to tread water or even worse as seems to be the case of the freefall in business.

the 2003 carnegie data is most illuminating, for back then we were a "best in the west" pick and this piece of data illustrates the slide of the university in the ensuing years best.

i am trying to piece together a year by year picture of how and when we fell from the top ten regionally to now 31st. although the university may say we are fourth overall when the caveats of "public," "masters" and "west only" are added, as i recall we had fallen behind chico state while sonoma pulled even. that would place us in a tie for fifth with these three qualifiers tacked on and not a stand alone fourth.

08-22-07, 09:55 AM	#1 (permalink)
jayandbutton Guru Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 606	CPP ranked 31st in West, loses "Best in West" honor The US News and World Report fall 2007 rankings are out, and Cal Poly Pomona is tied for 31st among regional universities in the West, way behind its sister school at SLO which remains a couple dozen spots ahead in the Top Ten. Back in the 1990s CPP also was a Top Ten USNWR program but has been on a fifteen year slide. And more bad news. The Princeton Review has dropped CPP from its Best in the West list. All of the UC schools (save startup Merced) remain on the list along with many Cal States including nearby San Bernardino and Long Beach. Also, many privates nearby are included, including Whittier, Azusa Pacific, Chapman, Pepperdine, Claremont and Redlands. What does this mean? We're just not keeping up with the "Joneses," schools with better vision and leadership, and as a result our programs are sliding down in rank and stature, and better students will go elsewhere.

08-23-07, 12:42 PM	#3 (permalink)
*Admin* Think About It Joined: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 4,945	Yikes! The College of Business is going downhill and I only hope that the other colleges are not following their footsteps. The university trustees and directors surely know by now that the institution is losing its rank each year and surely they know that college bounds look at these national ranks for their college decisions. Some of these colleges need to make drastic changes and make better decisions and investments to achieve a higher rank and/or improvements. Cal Poly Pomona's Polycentric campus news: Cal Poly Pomona Ranked Among Top Public Universities in the West __________________ Cal Poly Forums

08-27-07, 09:31 AM	#6 (permalink)
*Admin* Think About It Joined: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 4,945	Great points, but why blame the university for spinning the headline. It's their job to make the institution attractive as possible to bring in college bounds. But it is still sad to see the school dropping while our neighboring Cal State universities are improving in the academic rank. __________________ Cal Poly Forums

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*Admin* Think About It Joined: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 4,945	How did the Cal Poly Pomona's Engineering department, Architecture, Hotel Management, and agriculture rank for both the Princeton Review and the US News World Report? From what I know, these departments outranked the College of Business. __________________ Cal Poly Forums

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08-23-07, 08:31 AM	#2 (permalink)
xiaoxue Enthusiast Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 492	i'm not at all surprised by this news. a lot of people say the princeton review is a more credible source for quality than us news and world report since its connected to kaplan. either way, it's more evidence that we are not the school we once were and that other cal states are blowing by us. in my high school we laughed at going to cal state san bernadino. now they have the fourth best entrepreneurship program in the nation and are ranked by princeton review as best in the west are we have neither of those. thank goodness for architecture and engineering to save us. in the college of business we are beyond hopeless. check out www.studentsreview.com and see more evidence of that. we're ranked below almost everyone on that site, particualy in business. i'm going anywhere else for grad school because our MBA program is a joke.

08-25-07, 10:56 AM	#4 (permalink)
xiaoxue Enthusiast Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 492	yeh, isn't it interesting how the university likes to "spin" this story that we're one of the "top" universities. they do it by first making us a regional, then making us a nondoctoral regional, and then making us a public nondoctoral regional. and even then we can't beat out little chico state? and princeton revew places us below san dirtball state? but hey, maybe we're the best college in the city of pomona? or would that be devry or that medical college downtown? maybe we're a close second?

08-25-07, 11:01 AM	#5 (permalink)
jayandbutton Guru Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 606	The Polycentric headline is very deceptive. We are nowhere among the top publics in the West as the headline says. That would place us in the league of Cal, UCLA and UCSD along with other great state universities. You have to read the story to see the clarification under the asterisk, "Masters."

08-28-07, 02:01 PM	#7 (permalink)
PL28 Active Member Joined: Aug 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 92	I agree, it’s to the University's benefits to point out to prospective students their strong points rather than the negative. I believe we still have few strong engineering and science departments. Hopefully they can leverage on that and continue to build and improve our school.

08-29-07, 09:02 PM	#9 (permalink)
xiaoxue Enthusiast Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 492	as i recall engineering and architecture are still ranked, so they are propping up the rest of the university. some departments in CLASS are pretty good for the cal state system, and ag just keeps rolling along. business is the largest college and now probably the worst. jb reports more than 70 teachers leaving business in just the past two years. and lots of students show how unhappy they are on that studentsreview web site.

09-06-07, 09:35 AM	#10 (permalink)
PL28 Active Member Joined: Aug 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 92	Here are some rankings pull from our Cal Poly Pomona website: Cal Poly Pomona is 14th overall in the nation for top undergraduate programs in engineering, according to the U.S. News & World Report 2006 College Rankings: Universities-Master’s category. Of the top 14 schools, only five are public schools, which makes Cal Poly Pomona the 5th best public school for engineering in the U.S. (San Luis Obispo, U.S. Military Academic, U.S. Naval Academy, U.S. Air Force Academy). Cal Poly Pomona is 9th overall in the nation for top Civil Engineering undergraduate programs, according to the U.S. News & World Report 2006 College Rankings: Universities-Master’s category. Of the top 9 schools, only four are public schools, which makes Cal Poly Pomona the 4th best public school for Civil Engineering in the U.S. Cal Poly Pomona is 13th overall in the nation for top Electrical Engineering undergraduate programs, according to the U.S. News & World Report 2006 College Rankings: Universities-Master’s category. Of the top 13 schools, only six are public schools, which makes Cal Poly Pomona the 6th best public school for Electrical Engineering in the U.S. Cal Poly Pomona is 15th overall in the nation for top Mechanical Engineering undergraduate programs, according to the U.S. News & World Report 2006 College Rankings: Universities-Master’s category. Of the top 15 schools, only five are public schools, which makes Cal Poly Pomona the 5th best public school for Mechanical Engineering in the U.S. Cal Poly Pomona ranks #1 in California for number of underrepresented minority engineers graduated. The University: Cal Poly Pomona is 4th overall in the category of Top Public Schools in the West Region (15 states), according to the U.S. News & World Report 2006 College Rankings: Universities-Master’s category (San Luis Obispo, Western Washington (WA), Long Beach). Cal Poly Pomona is 31st overall in the category of top universities in the West Region amongst all private and public schools according to the U.S. News & World Report 2006 College Rankings: Universities-Master’s category. Cal Poly Pomona is 4th overall in the West for campus diversity amongst all private and public schools, according to the U.S. News & World Report 2006 College Rankings: Universities-Master’s category (La Sierra, Dominguez Hills, Holy Names). Cal Poly Pomona is only four-hundredths (0.04) of a point from being the most diverse university in the nation. Cal Poly Pomona is 17th overall in the nation for lowest acceptance rates, according to the U.S. News & World Report 2006 College Rankings: Universities-Master’s category. Of the top 17 schools, only five are public schools, which makes Cal Poly Pomona the 5th most competitive in terms of admissions in the U.S. Cal Poly Pomona is 2nd in the West Region for lowest acceptance rates. Cal Poly Pomona is the 3rd highest rated regional university in the West according to Project Connect 2003, a survey by the market research firm Carnegie Communication. The university was also 8th most popular among students. Cal Poly Pomona is 23rd overall nationally in awarding baccalaureate degrees to minority students according to the national magazine Black Issues in Higher Education (June, 2005). Cal Poly Pomona is 14th overall nationally in awarding baccalaureate degrees to Asian students according to the national magazine Black Issues in Higher Education (June, 2005). Cal Poly Pomona is 22nd overall nationally in awarding baccalaureate degrees to Hispanic students according to the national magazine Black Issues in Higher Education (June, 2005).

09-06-07, 03:47 PM	#11 (permalink)
jayandbutton Guru Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 606	this was an outstanding post, 28, one that clearly shows how engineering is keeping the rest of the university propped up. a decade ago we were ranked in a half dozen disciplines outside of engineering, notably majors in science, architecture, hospitality management, agriculture and business. now we're down to one college holding the fort while the others seem to tread water or even worse as seems to be the case of the freefall in business. the 2003 carnegie data is most illuminating, for back then we were a "best in the west" pick and this piece of data illustrates the slide of the university in the ensuing years best. i am trying to piece together a year by year picture of how and when we fell from the top ten regionally to now 31st. although the university may say we are fourth overall when the caveats of "public," "masters" and "west only" are added, as i recall we had fallen behind chico state while sonoma pulled even. that would place us in a tie for fifth with these three qualifiers tacked on and not a stand alone fourth.