Cal State vs. UC systems?

[MICROED]

Hello,

I just wanted to find out if knew whether pre-med students get into medical school coming out of cal poly.

[xiaoxue]

Originally Posted by KayCee

What do you think is the difference between the two systems?

KayCee, you keep raising the bar with interesting stuff.
here is what i heard from somebody who knows state history. the general assembly back in the 1800s planned to have three state university systems, the uc system, the polytechnic system, and the csu system. the first was for research and classic professions like law and medicine. the second was for applied areas like aerospace, chemical, civil, ece, mechanical, the list goes on....ing, architecture and agriculture. and the third was primarily for education, to train teachers. well, even in those days budget crunches popped up now and then. the polytechnic system, originally planned to be three institutes (one north, one central, one south) began with slo as planned around 1900 but then the $$$ to do a full system got short and slo was folded into the csu by 1930 when the second poly, pomona, came on board. the north campus never happened. but it was always assumed/presumed that because the poly system would be a higher tier than the csu some provision was made for higher funding for the polys. that's why the faculty are the best in the csu and the rankings the highest.
i was fascinated to hear about the fact that the poly schools are higher ranked in texas and elsewhere back east. i heard that as well in the midwest, that other than ucb and perhaps a couple others like ucsd and ucla, the polys are better than the riversides and davis type schools.
we do have some joint doctoral programs at pomona. we had a teacher in business this summer getting a joint ph.d. with cal poly south and a university in europe. i think another college has a joint ph.d. program with irvine as well.
what anybody in the know will tell you is that what matters is not so much the university but the specific programs within that school. the polys are great in aerospace, chemical, civil, ece, mechanical, the list goes on....ing and architecture and near great in business and agriculture. but when you get into other areas you see some soft spots. at pomona, for example, the comm dept really sucks. no campus radio or tv station, not even a broadcast major. the campus paper is a joke. would imagine there are suck programs at many uc schools, too.
a lot of people i know by the way passed on uc admissions to go to either poly north/central or poly south.

[jayandbutton]

Originally Posted by xiaoxue

KayCee, you keep raising the bar with interesting stuff.
here is what i heard from somebody who knows state history. the general assembly back in the 1800s planned to have three state university systems, the uc system, the polytechnic system, and the csu system. the first was for research and classic professions like law and medicine. the second was for applied areas like aerospace, chemical, civil, ece, mechanical, the list goes on....ing, architecture and agriculture. and the third was primarily for education, to train teachers. well, even in those days budget crunches popped up now and then. the polytechnic system, originally planned to be three institutes (one north, one central, one south) began with slo as planned around 1900 but then the $$$ to do a full system got short and slo was folded into the csu by 1930 when the second poly, pomona, came on board. the north campus never happened. but it was always assumed/presumed that because the poly system would be a higher tier than the csu some provision was made for higher funding for the polys. that's why the faculty are the best in the csu and the rankings the highest.
i was fascinated to hear about the fact that the poly schools are higher ranked in texas and elsewhere back east. i heard that as well in the midwest, that other than ucb and perhaps a couple others like ucsd and ucla, the polys are better than the riversides and davis type schools.
we do have some joint doctoral programs at pomona. we had a teacher in business this summer getting a joint ph.d. with cal poly south and a university in europe. i think another college has a joint ph.d. program with irvine as well.
what anybody in the know will tell you is that what matters is not so much the university but the specific programs within that school. the polys are great in aerospace, chemical, civil, ece, mechanical, the list goes on....ing and architecture and near great in business and agriculture. but when you get into other areas you see some soft spots. at pomona, for example, the comm dept really sucks. no campus radio or tv station, not even a broadcast major. the campus paper is a joke. would imagine there are suck programs at many uc schools, too.
a lot of people i know by the way passed on uc admissions to go to either poly north/central or poly south.

VERY INTERESTING REPORT ON THE HISTORY OF OUR POLYTECHNIC SYSTEM. THIS MAKES SENSE AS I HEAR THAT OUR PROFESSORS ARE BETTER PAID AND HIGHER RATED THAN LOWLY CAL STATES. AND YET THEY CARE ABOUT STUDENTS MUCH MORE THAN SNOBBY UC SCHOOLS WHERE PROFS JUST CARE ABOUT THEIR BOOKS AND LET GRAD TA SLAVES DO ALL THE GRUNT WORK WITH STUDENTS. I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT, TOO, THAT THE POLY SCHOOLS ARE REALLY DISTINGUISHED IN THINGS LIKE ENGR, BUS, ARCH, AGR

[rensky]

aren't the TAs here kinda like slaves too? i mean..for my dept, they have to do everything!

[jamarquez]

Originally Posted by KayCee

Speaking of UC, what are some of the reasons you chose Cal Poly instead of UC?
I was unable to apply and meet the UC admission requirements because of my trigonometry teacher.

Well I came to Cal Poly Pomona because it was closer to home (I live in Covina[5-8 min's away] ) and it had a Poi - Sci Dept, and it was cheaper then high school. (I went to Damien H.S in La Verne[$4,000 a year] ) But by the way the tuition was been going up, with parking and Books it gets closer and closer to go out for loans.

I heard parking is going up AGAIN to $118

[jayandbutton]

Originally Posted by rensky

aren't the TAs here kinda like slaves too? i mean..for my dept, they have to do everything!

THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT HERE IN THE POLY SYSTEM YOU ACTUALLY GET TO TALK TO YOUR PROFESSORS. IN THE UC SYSTEM THEY'RE THAT LITTLE ANT LECTURING BEHIND THE PODIUM FORTY ROWS UP OR ON THAT TV SCREEN. THE TA IS JUST ANOTHER STARVING STUDENT WHO TEACHES YOU IN LABS. HERE AT POLY THE TA TO THE PROF MAKES COFFEE AND RUNS COPIES. I COULD GO TO THE UC PROGRAM BUT WOULD PREFER TO LEARN SOMETHING AND GO TO UC FOR GRAD SCHOOL.

[Steven]

Originally Posted by jayandbutton

THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT HERE IN THE POLY SYSTEM YOU ACTUALLY GET TO TALK TO YOUR PROFESSORS. IN THE UC SYSTEM THEY'RE THAT LITTLE ANT LECTURING BEHIND THE PODIUM FORTY ROWS UP OR ON THAT TV SCREEN. THE TA IS JUST ANOTHER STARVING STUDENT WHO TEACHES YOU IN LABS. HERE AT POLY THE TA TO THE PROF MAKES COFFEE AND RUNS COPIES. I COULD GO TO THE UC PROGRAM BUT WOULD PREFER TO LEARN SOMETHING AND GO TO UC FOR GRAD SCHOOL.

But don't you lose competitiveness by not going to a more prestigious school?

[phoenixmemori]

wow this is interesting..i'm applying to both UCs and CSUs right now...but the college i really wanna go to is either UC Davis or Cal Poly SLO...which one do you think it's better?

[xiaoxue]

Originally Posted by phoenixmemori

wow this is interesting..i'm applying to both UCs and CSUs right now...but the college i really wanna go to is either UC Davis or Cal Poly SLO...which one do you think it's better?

IT DEPENDS WHAT U WANT TO STUDY. IF IT'S SOMETHING LIKE THE LIBERAL ARTS, HISTORY AND PHILOSOPHY STUFF THEN GO TO DAVIS. IN AGR DAVIS IS CLOSE TO POLY IN QUALITY. BUT IF YOU WANT BUS OR ARCH OR ENGR OR OTHER PROFESSIONS THEN POLY IS BETTER. I LIKE POMONA BETTER THAN SLO B/CUZ MORE THAN 20 PER CENT OF THE STUDENT BODY IS CHINESE AND YOU FEEL MORE AT HOME WITH YOUR HOMEES THAN UP NORTH. AT SLO YOU ARE A FOREIGNER. AND THE TWO SCHOOLS ARE CLOSE IN QUALITY. I WOULD GO VISIT POMONA AND YOU WILL SEE WHAT I MEAN!

[phoenixmemori]

Originally Posted by xiaoxue

IT DEPENDS WHAT U WANT TO STUDY. IF IT'S SOMETHING LIKE THE LIBERAL ARTS, HISTORY AND PHILOSOPHY STUFF THEN GO TO DAVIS. IN AGR DAVIS IS CLOSE TO POLY IN QUALITY. BUT IF YOU WANT BUS OR ARCH OR ENGR OR OTHER PROFESSIONS THEN POLY IS BETTER. I LIKE POMONA BETTER THAN SLO B/CUZ MORE THAN 20 PER CENT OF THE STUDENT BODY IS CHINESE AND YOU FEEL MORE AT HOME WITH YOUR HOMEES THAN UP NORTH. AT SLO YOU ARE A FOREIGNER. AND THE TWO SCHOOLS ARE CLOSE IN QUALITY. I WOULD GO VISIT POMONA AND YOU WILL SEE WHAT I MEAN!

hehe yea, i see what you mean, but i live pretty for from pomona, SLO is the closer one to me (sf bay area)...so yea..lol ohh yea, i don't wanna study the liberal arts, history or philosophy stuff...i might be more interested in math/science. so i guess i should choose poly

[xiaoxue]

Originally Posted by phoenixmemori

hehe yea, i see what you mean, but i live pretty for from pomona, SLO is the closer one to me (sf bay area)...so yea..lol ohh yea, i don't wanna study the liberal arts, history or philosophy stuff...i might be more interested in math/science. so i guess i should choose poly

WE GOT LOTS OF PPL IN POMONA FROM BAY AREA AND NICE NEW DORMS THAT ARE SUITES. I HEAR THERE IS SOME RACISM AT THE TWO SCHOOLS YOU MENTION WHEREAS HERE AT POMONA WE ARE THE MAJORITY!
AND IF YOU WANT MATH OR SCIENCE THEN POLY IS BETTER. IF YOU WANT TO STAY CLOSE TO HOME THEN GO TO SLO BUT THAT'S REALLY A WHITE SCHOOL. A LOT OF OUR DORMEES GO HOME FOR WEEKENDS AND PLENTY OF CHINESE HOMES FOR RENT NEARBY IN WALNUT AND DIAMOND BAR...ALWAYS RIDES UP TO BAY AREA ON THURSDAYS AND FRIDAYS. ANYWAY, I WOULD LOOK IF I WERE YOU...GOTTA RUN AND GOOD LUCK, GIRL!

[Steven]

Originally Posted by xiaoxue

AND IF YOU WANT MATH OR SCIENCE THEN POLY IS BETTER.

Why do you think so?

[Steelman]

Well I am a communitty college student, I am applying to cal ploy pomona and csu fullerton as well as ucr for business admin, and I heard about the FRL program sounds interesting...I was wondering which school would be best as a business major?

[LilWahine]

Cal Poly Pomona has a really nice business program. I graduated with a degree in Business Admin-Management. They have the Learn By Doing motto and you always seem to be applying what you learn in the classroom to real life examples and events. What part of FRL are you leaning towards? Finance, Real Estate or Law?

[jayandbutton]

Originally Posted by Steelman

Well I am a communitty college student, I am applying to cal ploy pomona and csu fullerton as well as ucr for business admin, and I heard about the FRL program sounds interesting...I was wondering which school would be best as a business major?

Glad you asked...my girlfriend is an FRL major at Poly and i went to Fullerton for a year. Here is what we think: 1. UCR no way...what they have is an econ pgm they call biz...they cater to their grad students...a crap school, the worst of the UC system. 2. CSUF okay if you like classes of 75-100 students. classes too big and profs not too hot. none had time for me. and if you think parking at Poly is bad...all i can say is take the bus to Fullerton! 3. CPP biz is excellent, smaller classes and better teachers. The FRL 300 teach i had was Am told the biz coll at Pomona is the biggest in the CSU so lots of choices of classes and teachers.

[xiaoxue]

Originally Posted by LilWahine

Cal Poly Pomona has a really nice business program. I graduated with a the piece of paper that we all are trying to obtain in Business Admin-Management. They have the Learn By Doing motto and you always seem to be applying what you learn in the classroom to real my one and only so called life examples and events. What part of FRL are you leaning towards? Finance, Real Estate or Law?

i had prof. liang for finance 301 and prof. chu for 300. they were both really good. the law faculty is good, too. don't kno about real estate.

[Steelman]

Originally Posted by LilWahine

Cal Poly Pomona has a really nice business program. I graduated with a the piece of paper that we all are trying to obtain in Business Admin-Management. They have the Learn By Doing motto and you always seem to be applying what you learn in the classroom to real my one and only so called life examples and events. What part of FRL are you leaning towards? Finance, Real Estate or Law?

I am leaning towards finance and a minor in real estate. How easy was it for you to find a job once you got your degree?

[LilWahine]

No, but don't use me as a guide. I got a degree in Management & Human Resources with a minor in Marketing but have worked in Recreation for the past 3 1/2 years. So I really haven't looked for a job in my major. But hopefully by next year I will make the transfer.

[jayandbutton]

Originally Posted by LilWahine

No, but don't use me as a guide. I got a degree in Management & Human Resources with a minor in Marketing but have worked in Recreation for the past 3 1/2 years. So I really haven't looked for a job in my major. But hopefully by next year I will make the transfer.

the research that i have read shows you have the best chance at a job and decent money in accounting and then finance. but those are the two hardest and most boring majors in business. management and marketing are the most fun but pay the least. so would you rather make $$ and be bored or have fun and moonlight? tough call! marketing has a new major that focuses on entertainment, movies and sports...now that's really fun!

[xiaoxue]

Originally Posted by jayandbutton

the research that i have read shows you have the best chance at a job and decent money in accounting and then finance. but those are the two hardest and most boring majors in business. management and marketing are the most fun but pay the least. so would you rather make $$ and be bored or have fun and moonlight? tough call! marketing has a new major that focuses on entertainment, movies and sports...now that's really fun!

yah, i'm taking that movie class next quarter...you pick your movies you like and do projects on them like you're working in a studio.