A Cal Poly students anecdotes....stuff needs to change

oside_james · 07-31-04, 03:28 AM

To the staff of The Poly Post:

The 2003 Fall Quarter at California Polytechnic University, Pomona was an interesting one. Foremost, a student was assaulted in the Encinitas dorm building. The assailants came in through the main doors and proceeded up to the third floor—past two levels of RA supervised territory—to the student’s room. After the beating took place, Cal Poly took drastic action to assure that nothing paralleling this attack would happen again. In their efforts, Cal Poly placed notices in all of the dorm lobbies pleading with residents not to let any unknown persons into the buildings.
The surge of pride I felt knowing that my school’s administration went out of their way to post notices stating common sense was more than I could handle. The other students were equally engorged with pride as evident with their ability to submit to the suggestions of the school. Unfortunately, common sense would not be nearly potent enough to combat the crime harbored by the dorms. Within a month a student was removed of nearly $2000 worth of content from his room, and another’s laundry was stolen. Yes, no doubt it was setting up to be an interesting year at Cal Poly, Pomona.
Winter Quarter was equally as interesting. After witnessing various drunken fights and attending a fair share of drunken parties I noticed something I thought was extraordinary. All of the shot glasses I saw were those with Cal Poly insignia on them. I didn’t believe what I was seeing so I asked someone where they got them. They informed me that they picked the shot glasses up earlier in the day at the bookstore. What? Cal Poly is selling shot glasses to its students—most of whom are underage and campus residents? How is that equivalent to the positive and productive learning environment preached to us by Cal Poly? Well, regardless, at least the shot glasses were innovative. One of them was ingeniously designed; it was divided into five levels of increasing tolerances starting with freshman and working up to alumni—utterly amazing.
Spring Quarter brought a myriad of various crimes to our campus. An attempted car jacking that went awry motivated the school to finally take action on crime. Cal Poly issued another barrage of letters and notices stating not to walk to your car alone late at night. Is this some sort of jest by Cal Poly—a major university—to procure students safety by just parading around some flyers—mere pieces of paper—to ensure our safety? Needless to say, this was beyond insufficient in halting vandalism.
My present roommate informed me that a few weeks before spring finals, his car was forcefully entered and removed of $700 of various items. Upon reporting the incident to an officer, he was informed that most likely nothing would happen! This has been going down for a while (vandalism, that is) and yet still an effective determent has not been implemented? With all of the money Cal Poly requires students to pay, one would think a substantial amount would go to protect student’s belongings—let alone their wellbeing. Unfortunately this is not the case.
In short, Cal Poly is an institution where students buy undercooked food which is grossly overpriced; where security stops skateboarders and not criminals; where harassment and vandalism is condoned (and if it is not, then it surely is not attended to); where cops sit and hide waiting for the opportunity to fill their monthly ticket quotas through traffic violations rather than patrolling the campus and parking lots. Cal Poly is an institution with confused priorities. I surely hope that some measures are taken in the immediate future to begin to initiate a change.

Ketcham82 · 07-31-04, 09:43 AM

So what's your point? You address this to The Poly Post staff, but you don't state what needs to change.

Nate · 07-31-04, 12:56 PM

You know what? Shit happens. You can't expect higher security all over the dorms just because of one beating and a theft. You can't expect there will be security checks and stuff all over the dorms to prevent this kind of thing. Students have to take their own responsibilities to prevent crap like this from happening. It was probably the guy's own fault for getting his ass kicked or the other guy's own fault for leaving his room as an intended target for theft.

I laughed at your shot glass argument because it's insanely stupid. Cal Poly Pomona isn't a party school and it doesn't encourage drinking. Hell, I bet other colleges sell shot glasses with their school name/logo at their bookstores because they are intended for alumnus. Students drink in the dorms because they want to, not because a shot glass told them to.

Car jacking and thefts at campuses happen all the time, deal with it. There are thousands and thousands of cars parked at Cal Poly so of course something bad is going to happen. You expect higher security around the dorms, all over campus, and even more around the parking lots? That is not possible with the current budget. If you're afraid to walk out at night, you can call security to send out an escort for you.

Your last paragraph or conclusion does not make sense at all. You throw in stuff out of nowhere. Please quit _____ing. High prices on junk food? You don’t have to buy it; they’re not forcing you to buy it. Police stopping skaters? Cal Poly isn’t a skate park. Encouraging vandalism and harassments? I don’t know where the hell you got that from. I think you’re the confused one.

oside_james · 07-31-04, 02:19 PM

Hey man, think what you want, the fact is this shits repetitive and Cal Poly hasn't done anything to ensure that vandalism, theft, and assault can at least be cut back—not even a little.

Deal with it? If some one steals your stuff, trust me, you'll feel different about it.

Where did I say anything about junk food? I am talking about regular food, kid. C'mon, $6 for a bag of chips, a soda and sub-like sandwich? That’s not over priced?

Laugh all you want about the shot glass incident, I think it's funny too. Cal Poly isn't a party school and it doesn't have to be. The mere fact that Cal Poly sells its students shot glasses just further perpetuates the hypocrisy: "We here at Cal Poly want our students to be productive learners, but be sure to stop by the bookstore to pick some shot glasses on your way home from orientation." I really don't care if students drink, you're right, if they want to, it's not that hard to go out and cop some liquor, however, I don't think Cal Poly should contribute and make it easier for them to do so. Do you?

Again, you are correct when saying Cal Poly isn't a skate park. Well, I don't treat it like that and I know a few others that don't either. I can't decipher the difference between a bike and a board for transportation except for the obvious differences in construction. I don’t hit up stairs, ledges or rails on campus. I just use my board as transportation, how is that comparable to a skate park? Since I wasn’t able to discern these similarities, maybe you can inform me?

I am definitely the confused one. I don't understand how all of this weak ass shit keeps happening and yet nothing changes. More than one incident of student’s laundry being stolen has occurred. That could easily be solved with making the laundry room locked. Does it take a lot of funds to add a lock to a door? More than one incident of car theft occurred, and that could easily be cut back by implementing security cameras. I don’t refute the fact that it’s hard to allocate monies to new security tactics and measures, however, I am a realist and it is more than a reality that the crime and all this dumb shit can be at least cut back here on campus.

Ketcham82 · 07-31-04, 09:32 PM

Again. You don't make a point. And please tell me where the whole poly post part comes in the "argument" because I have no idea what you would want the one student organization that's always informed to do.

oside_james · 07-31-04, 09:39 PM

the poly post was whom i initially sent this to...

as for me not making a point, i really don't see what you're not getting. i suppose i am not too great of a writer if i can't convey my point, however, i don't understand what you don't get...

this is from the first line and i think it sums it up:

"...Cal Poly hasn't done anything to ensure that vandalism, theft, and assault can at least be cut back—not even a little."

Anderson · 07-31-04, 10:16 PM

Wow this is new to me. But dormitory vandalism is not new as it happens in most universities, both dormitory and student apartments.

Umpsy · 08-02-04, 02:54 AM

Oside_James You're stupid. Your post was so stupid, I'm going to have break it into sections so I don't get lost in the stupidness.

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Originally Posted by oside_james

To the staff of The Poly Post:

Ok, why are you _____ing to the Poly Post. Are you angry because they don't print things as you view them? Or do you just not have any friends?

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Originally Posted by oside_james

The surge of pride I felt knowing that my school’s administration went out of their way to post notices stating common sense was more than I could handle.

And what did you expect the school to do? Install new security systems with money they don't have? Hire security guards with money they don't have? How many people do you think this happens to a year? I can assure you its less than the average outside of Cal Poly.

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Originally Posted by oside_james

Cal Poly is selling shot glasses to its students—most of whom are underage and campus residents?

If you believe that there is ONE student whose stance on drinking, underage or not, was influenced by the fact that their school's bookstore sells shotglasses, then you're probably the same kind of idiot who thinks fat people have a right to sue McDonalds.

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Originally Posted by oside_james

Is this some sort of jest by Cal Poly—a major university—to procure students safety by just parading around some flyers—mere pieces of paper—to ensure our safety? Needless to say, this was beyond insufficient in halting vandalism.

Do you expect Cal Poly to watch all of their students all the time? Carjackings happen everyday. Are we Cal Poly students so special that we should be should be untouched by crime?

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Originally Posted by oside_james

With all of the money Cal Poly requires students to pay, one would think a substantial amount would go to protect student’s belongings—let alone their wellbeing. Unfortunately this is not the case.

You do realize this is a State university right? And that all of our education is subsidized? The fees we pay are used to upkeep and maintain the school and its staff. We pay next to nothing for our education. That comment was just ignorant.

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Originally Posted by oside_james

where cops sit and hide waiting for the opportunity to fill their monthly ticket quotas through traffic violations rather than patrolling the campus and parking lots.

That's the only intelligent part of your post.

oside_james · 08-02-04, 07:43 PM

i didn't think there'd be so much hate going on in here, but anywho, here are my responses...

umpsy, do you live on campus? if you do, and you don't believe a change should happen to ensure an increase in the quality of security on campus, than i don't know what shit you're blazing, but pass it...because you're tripping hard...

just the presence of cameras has been proven to cut back crime on city streets and parking lots, and they don't even have to be operational. (why should cal poly be any different?) the sheer fact that the perpetrator sees some time of deterrent can dramatically cut back on that shit...

about the shot glass thing: mad heads keep thinking i am speculating that since cal poly sells them, that they must be the reason people are drinking on campus. that's not what i am saying at all. i am just implying that it's ridiculous that cal poly preaches good study habits to its incoming students, yet allows shot glasses to be sold to them—most of whom are underage. that's hypocrisy to me. it's just funny and shows what type of values this campus has--anything to make a buck, right?

you said, "You do realize this is a State university right? And that all of our education is subsidized? The fees we pay are used to upkeep and maintain the school and its staff. We pay next to nothing for our education. That comment was just ignorant." however, no where in my post (the one your response was aimed) did i say anything about the cost of education. so who is being ignorant by assuming shit? i just said that "with all of the money cal poly requires students to pay..." with that said, cal poly students are required to pay a lot of money and a decent amount should go to secure our wellbeing. you don’t think so?

if you're replying and don't live on campus where a majority of your belongings are subjected to campus life continuously—more so than the average commuter student who’s belongings are only occasionally subjected—than what's your point refuting crime aspects of my point when you obviously can't relate to what i am saying?

if i had to equate anything to the replies i have received, it would be to that dude who criticized mike moore's film, fahrenheit 911, without even seeing it. this was on hbo like two nights ago on real time with bill maher...too funny....

Steven · 08-02-04, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by oside_james

about the shot glass thing: mad heads keep thinking i am speculating that since cal poly sells them, that they must be the reason people are drinking on campus. that's not what i am saying at all. i am just implying that it's ridiculous that cal poly preaches good study habits to its incoming students, yet allows shot glasses to be sold to them—most of whom are underage. that's hypocrisy to me. it's just funny and shows what type of values this campus has--anything to make a buck, right?

How is hypocrisy bad?

oside_james · 08-02-04, 09:31 PM

hypocrisy from a learning institution is unnecessary and not beneficial in any way...

how is hypocrisy good and how can it lead to productive change?

Steven · 08-02-04, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oside_james

hypocrisy from a learning institution is unnecessary and not beneficial in any way...

how is hypocrisy good and how can it lead to productive change?

Not being beneficial does not equate to being bad. For example, saying "hi" instead of "hello" is not very beneficial, but it is not bad.

Hypocrisy is neither good nor bad. Now that I have answered your question, please answer my original question, with consideration of what I have just stated.

Umpsy · 08-02-04, 11:31 PM

Oside_james,

You say A, I say B, you say A, I say C, you say A, I say D, you say A.

Learn how to argue Man

Bronco · 08-03-04, 12:03 AM

You guys please exchange phone numbers

oside_james · 08-03-04, 12:10 AM

so i am persistent and stay on point (A) and you keep flip flopping around (B,C,D)?

so i take it you don't live on campus?

Steven · 08-03-04, 12:25 PM

oside_james, you still haven't answered my question. Why is hypocrisy bad in light of what I have just told you in my previous post?

oside_james · 08-03-04, 01:05 PM

oside_james, you still haven't answered my question. Why is hypocrisy bad in light of what I have just told you in my previous post?

Everyone is a hypocrite (as most would agree) and when constructing the hierarchy of education, hypocrisy will no doubt be present as humans are present. So to eliminate hypocrisy in education cannot be achieved but can unquestionably be aspired to. However, I don't know how else to portray hypocrisy in bad light when it comes to those whom are supposed to provide aid of guidance and knowledge. Hypocrisy for leaders of community or those with the responsibility to mold minds is not something I think should be incorporated in the learning process.

When you think of a hypocrite, is it with a positive denotation? I suppose one could be submissive in their conclusion as to whether hypocrisy is something to aspire to or not, but nevertheless, its absence should be maintained in regards to leaning institutions. if some one whom you are learning from is preaching one thing and yet doing another, is that the type of person from which you’d like to learn? i don’t think it can benefit learning in any way, do you?

I have answered everyone’s questions with the utmost detail that I could stockpile, and yet neglect seems to be infecting my posts. Now, will you please answer my question? How do you think hypocrisy can be beneficial?

Steven · 08-03-04, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by oside_james

oside_james, you still haven't answered my question. Why is hypocrisy bad in light of what I have just told you in my previous post?

Everyone is a hypocrite (as most would agree) and when constructing the hierarchy of education, hypocrisy will no doubt be present as humans are present. So to eliminate hypocrisy in education cannot be achieved but can unquestionably be aspired to. However, I don't know how else to portray hypocrisy in bad light when it comes to those whom are supposed to provide aid of guidance and knowledge. Hypocrisy for leaders of community or those with the responsibility to mold minds is not something I think should be incorporated in the learning process.

When you think of a hypocrite, is it with a positive denotation? I suppose one could be submissive in their conclusion as to whether hypocrisy is something to aspire to or not, but nevertheless, its absence should be maintained in regards to leaning institutions. if some one whom you are learning from is preaching one thing and yet doing another, is that the type of person from which you’d like to learn? i don’t think it can benefit learning in any way, do you?

I have answered everyone’s questions with the utmost detail that I could stockpile, and yet neglect seems to be infecting my posts. Now, will you please answer my question? How do you think hypocrisy can be beneficial?

Hypocrisy is not beneficial. I have already stated that it is neither good nor bad.

You still have yet to describe why hypocrisy is bad. All you have done is stated that "everyone is a hypocrite", that it should not not be aspired to, and that it is not beneficial. In all these statements all you have done is assumed that hypocrisy is bad.

Please answer in one simple sentence. For example, if one were to ask me why killing of a person for no reason other than revenge is bad, I would explain it in utilitarian terms. Killing would result in the loss of happiness for the person's family and it would delete any happiness that the dead person could have had if he were alive.

So please answer my question in a similar concise manner. Why is hypocrisy bad?

***Admin*** · 08-03-04, 01:27 PM

I think it was a good idea oside_james to send your concerns to the Poly Post. Be sure to send your concerns during the Fall quarter. Whether you were a victim or not, it is important for the students to voice their concerns and opinions and suggestions.

We all know that car vandalism takes place in most campuses but that does not mean it should continue. I've installed several fake videocameras before and the entire setup was inexpensive. Having a rotating cameras on campus would deter car vandalism and I would feel more secure to have those around than the current skytowers.

The best method to let your concerns be heard is to start a student petition. Suggest a better security around the Cal Poly Pomona campus.

oside_james · 08-03-04, 02:58 PM

Thanks for at least reading the posts and trying to understand where i'm coming from, kaycee....

Steven, man I haven't taken advocacy and argument or any other speech/debate classes so your "utilitarian" method of description is beyond my knowledge in its uses, but….

My bad if the fact that I don't think hypocrisy is beneficial to anything is not a sufficient answer, but it is the answer I’d give you....

You said:

So please answer my question in a similar concise manner. Why is hypocrisy bad?

My answer:

Because it (hypocrisy) doesn't benefit anyone. Switching up answers just leads to confusion and misinterpretation. I have said that all along and I don't have anything to add to that...

DO ANY OF YOU EVEN LIVE ON CAMPUS?

07-31-04, 03:28 AM	#1 (permalink)
oside_james Newcomer Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 11	A Cal Poly students anecdotes....stuff needs to change To the staff of The Poly Post: The 2003 Fall Quarter at California Polytechnic University, Pomona was an interesting one. Foremost, a student was assaulted in the Encinitas dorm building. The assailants came in through the main doors and proceeded up to the third floor—past two levels of RA supervised territory—to the student’s room. After the beating took place, Cal Poly took drastic action to assure that nothing paralleling this attack would happen again. In their efforts, Cal Poly placed notices in all of the dorm lobbies pleading with residents not to let any unknown persons into the buildings. The surge of pride I felt knowing that my school’s administration went out of their way to post notices stating common sense was more than I could handle. The other students were equally engorged with pride as evident with their ability to submit to the suggestions of the school. Unfortunately, common sense would not be nearly potent enough to combat the crime harbored by the dorms. Within a month a student was removed of nearly $2000 worth of content from his room, and another’s laundry was stolen. Yes, no doubt it was setting up to be an interesting year at Cal Poly, Pomona. Winter Quarter was equally as interesting. After witnessing various drunken fights and attending a fair share of drunken parties I noticed something I thought was extraordinary. All of the shot glasses I saw were those with Cal Poly insignia on them. I didn’t believe what I was seeing so I asked someone where they got them. They informed me that they picked the shot glasses up earlier in the day at the bookstore. What? Cal Poly is selling shot glasses to its students—most of whom are underage and campus residents? How is that equivalent to the positive and productive learning environment preached to us by Cal Poly? Well, regardless, at least the shot glasses were innovative. One of them was ingeniously designed; it was divided into five levels of increasing tolerances starting with freshman and working up to alumni—utterly amazing. Spring Quarter brought a myriad of various crimes to our campus. An attempted car jacking that went awry motivated the school to finally take action on crime. Cal Poly issued another barrage of letters and notices stating not to walk to your car alone late at night. Is this some sort of jest by Cal Poly—a major university—to procure students safety by just parading around some flyers—mere pieces of paper—to ensure our safety? Needless to say, this was beyond insufficient in halting vandalism. My present roommate informed me that a few weeks before spring finals, his car was forcefully entered and removed of $700 of various items. Upon reporting the incident to an officer, he was informed that most likely nothing would happen! This has been going down for a while (vandalism, that is) and yet still an effective determent has not been implemented? With all of the money Cal Poly requires students to pay, one would think a substantial amount would go to protect student’s belongings—let alone their wellbeing. Unfortunately this is not the case. In short, Cal Poly is an institution where students buy undercooked food which is grossly overpriced; where security stops skateboarders and not criminals; where harassment and vandalism is condoned (and if it is not, then it surely is not attended to); where cops sit and hide waiting for the opportunity to fill their monthly ticket quotas through traffic violations rather than patrolling the campus and parking lots. Cal Poly is an institution with confused priorities. I surely hope that some measures are taken in the immediate future to begin to initiate a change.

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07-31-04, 09:43 AM	#2 (permalink)
Ketcham82 Enthusiast Joined: Dec 2003 Location: Covina Posts: 188	So what's your point? You address this to The Poly Post staff, but you don't state what needs to change.

07-31-04, 12:56 PM	#3 (permalink)
Nate Active Member Joined: Nov 2003 Location: On Campus Posts: 93	You know what? Shit happens. You can't expect higher security all over the dorms just because of one beating and a theft. You can't expect there will be security checks and stuff all over the dorms to prevent this kind of thing. Students have to take their own responsibilities to prevent crap like this from happening. It was probably the guy's own fault for getting his ass kicked or the other guy's own fault for leaving his room as an intended target for theft. I laughed at your shot glass argument because it's insanely stupid. Cal Poly Pomona isn't a party school and it doesn't encourage drinking. Hell, I bet other colleges sell shot glasses with their school name/logo at their bookstores because they are intended for alumnus. Students drink in the dorms because they want to, not because a shot glass told them to. Car jacking and thefts at campuses happen all the time, deal with it. There are thousands and thousands of cars parked at Cal Poly so of course something bad is going to happen. You expect higher security around the dorms, all over campus, and even more around the parking lots? That is not possible with the current budget. If you're afraid to walk out at night, you can call security to send out an escort for you. Your last paragraph or conclusion does not make sense at all. You throw in stuff out of nowhere. Please quit _____ing. High prices on junk food? You don’t have to buy it; they’re not forcing you to buy it. Police stopping skaters? Cal Poly isn’t a skate park. Encouraging vandalism and harassments? I don’t know where the hell you got that from. I think you’re the confused one.

07-31-04, 02:19 PM	#4 (permalink)
oside_james Newcomer Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 11	Hey man, think what you want, the fact is this shits repetitive and Cal Poly hasn't done anything to ensure that vandalism, theft, and assault can at least be cut back—not even a little. Deal with it? If some one steals your stuff, trust me, you'll feel different about it. Where did I say anything about junk food? I am talking about regular food, kid. C'mon, $6 for a bag of chips, a soda and sub-like sandwich? That’s not over priced? Laugh all you want about the shot glass incident, I think it's funny too. Cal Poly isn't a party school and it doesn't have to be. The mere fact that Cal Poly sells its students shot glasses just further perpetuates the hypocrisy: "We here at Cal Poly want our students to be productive learners, but be sure to stop by the bookstore to pick some shot glasses on your way home from orientation." I really don't care if students drink, you're right, if they want to, it's not that hard to go out and cop some liquor, however, I don't think Cal Poly should contribute and make it easier for them to do so. Do you? Again, you are correct when saying Cal Poly isn't a skate park. Well, I don't treat it like that and I know a few others that don't either. I can't decipher the difference between a bike and a board for transportation except for the obvious differences in construction. I don’t hit up stairs, ledges or rails on campus. I just use my board as transportation, how is that comparable to a skate park? Since I wasn’t able to discern these similarities, maybe you can inform me? I am definitely the confused one. I don't understand how all of this weak ass shit keeps happening and yet nothing changes. More than one incident of student’s laundry being stolen has occurred. That could easily be solved with making the laundry room locked. Does it take a lot of funds to add a lock to a door? More than one incident of car theft occurred, and that could easily be cut back by implementing security cameras. I don’t refute the fact that it’s hard to allocate monies to new security tactics and measures, however, I am a realist and it is more than a reality that the crime and all this dumb shit can be at least cut back here on campus.

07-31-04, 09:32 PM	#5 (permalink)
Ketcham82 Enthusiast Joined: Dec 2003 Location: Covina Posts: 188	Again. You don't make a point. And please tell me where the whole poly post part comes in the "argument" because I have no idea what you would want the one student organization that's always informed to do.

07-31-04, 09:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
oside_james Newcomer Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 11	the poly post was whom i initially sent this to... as for me not making a point, i really don't see what you're not getting. i suppose i am not too great of a writer if i can't convey my point, however, i don't understand what you don't get... this is from the first line and i think it sums it up: "...Cal Poly hasn't done anything to ensure that vandalism, theft, and assault can at least be cut back—not even a little."

07-31-04, 10:16 PM	#7 (permalink)
Anderson Active Member Joined: Jun 2004 Location: Pomona Posts: 66	Wow this is new to me. But dormitory vandalism is not new as it happens in most universities, both dormitory and student apartments.

08-02-04, 07:43 PM	#9 (permalink)
oside_james Newcomer Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 11	i didn't think there'd be so much hate going on in here, but anywho, here are my responses... umpsy, do you live on campus? if you do, and you don't believe a change should happen to ensure an increase in the quality of security on campus, than i don't know what shit you're blazing, but pass it...because you're tripping hard... just the presence of cameras has been proven to cut back crime on city streets and parking lots, and they don't even have to be operational. (why should cal poly be any different?) the sheer fact that the perpetrator sees some time of deterrent can dramatically cut back on that shit... about the shot glass thing: mad heads keep thinking i am speculating that since cal poly sells them, that they must be the reason people are drinking on campus. that's not what i am saying at all. i am just implying that it's ridiculous that cal poly preaches good study habits to its incoming students, yet allows shot glasses to be sold to them—most of whom are underage. that's hypocrisy to me. it's just funny and shows what type of values this campus has--anything to make a buck, right? you said, "You do realize this is a State university right? And that all of our education is subsidized? The fees we pay are used to upkeep and maintain the school and its staff. We pay next to nothing for our education. That comment was just ignorant." however, no where in my post (the one your response was aimed) did i say anything about the cost of education. so who is being ignorant by assuming shit? i just said that "with all of the money cal poly requires students to pay..." with that said, cal poly students are required to pay a lot of money and a decent amount should go to secure our wellbeing. you don’t think so? if you're replying and don't live on campus where a majority of your belongings are subjected to campus life continuously—more so than the average commuter student who’s belongings are only occasionally subjected—than what's your point refuting crime aspects of my point when you obviously can't relate to what i am saying? if i had to equate anything to the replies i have received, it would be to that dude who criticized mike moore's film, fahrenheit 911, without even seeing it. this was on hbo like two nights ago on real time with bill maher...too funny....

08-02-04, 09:31 PM	#11 (permalink)
oside_james Newcomer Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 11	hypocrisy from a learning institution is unnecessary and not beneficial in any way... how is hypocrisy good and how can it lead to productive change?

08-02-04, 11:31 PM	#13 (permalink)
Umpsy Newcomer Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 18	Oside_james, You say A, I say B, you say A, I say C, you say A, I say D, you say A. Learn how to argue Man

08-03-04, 12:10 AM	#15 (permalink)
oside_james Newcomer Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 11	so i am persistent and stay on point (A) and you keep flip flopping around (B,C,D)? so i take it you don't live on campus?

08-03-04, 12:25 PM	#16 (permalink)
Steven Enthusiast Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 231	oside_james, you still haven't answered my question. Why is hypocrisy bad in light of what I have just told you in my previous post?

08-03-04, 01:05 PM	#17 (permalink)
oside_james Newcomer Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 11	oside_james, you still haven't answered my question. Why is hypocrisy bad in light of what I have just told you in my previous post? Everyone is a hypocrite (as most would agree) and when constructing the hierarchy of education, hypocrisy will no doubt be present as humans are present. So to eliminate hypocrisy in education cannot be achieved but can unquestionably be aspired to. However, I don't know how else to portray hypocrisy in bad light when it comes to those whom are supposed to provide aid of guidance and knowledge. Hypocrisy for leaders of community or those with the responsibility to mold minds is not something I think should be incorporated in the learning process. When you think of a hypocrite, is it with a positive denotation? I suppose one could be submissive in their conclusion as to whether hypocrisy is something to aspire to or not, but nevertheless, its absence should be maintained in regards to leaning institutions. if some one whom you are learning from is preaching one thing and yet doing another, is that the type of person from which you’d like to learn? i don’t think it can benefit learning in any way, do you? I have answered everyone’s questions with the utmost detail that I could stockpile, and yet neglect seems to be infecting my posts. Now, will you please answer my question? How do you think hypocrisy can be beneficial?

08-03-04, 01:27 PM	#19 (permalink)
*Admin* Think About It Joined: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 4,948	I think it was a good idea oside_james to send your concerns to the Poly Post. Be sure to send your concerns during the Fall quarter. Whether you were a victim or not, it is important for the students to voice their concerns and opinions and suggestions. We all know that car vandalism takes place in most campuses but that does not mean it should continue. I've installed several fake videocameras before and the entire setup was inexpensive. Having a rotating cameras on campus would deter car vandalism and I would feel more secure to have those around than the current skytowers. The best method to let your concerns be heard is to start a student petition. Suggest a better security around the Cal Poly Pomona campus.

08-03-04, 02:58 PM	#20 (permalink)
oside_james Newcomer Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 11	Thanks for at least reading the posts and trying to understand where i'm coming from, kaycee.... Steven, man I haven't taken advocacy and argument or any other speech/debate classes so your "utilitarian" method of description is beyond my knowledge in its uses, but…. My bad if the fact that I don't think hypocrisy is beneficial to anything is not a sufficient answer, but it is the answer I’d give you.... You said: So please answer my question in a similar concise manner. Why is hypocrisy bad? My answer: Because it (hypocrisy) doesn't benefit anyone. Switching up answers just leads to confusion and misinterpretation. I have said that all along and I don't have anything to add to that... DO ANY OF YOU EVEN LIVE ON CAMPUS?