Would you donate your body to science?

[zoedragon]

Originally Posted by CSS_overseer

Well cyronics is bringing people back from the dead. Frankenstein was brought back from the dead. It's my literary illumination about the topic. I was pointing out a moral scenario that are dealt with this matter. Ethics does play a role in swaying the burden of proof. One cannot live on the basis of just pure logic. It is very likely you are in accordance with me because that is madness! We cannot even program a computer to do thinking for us yet. Trust me, I know.

You have a gut reaction about life too. After using logic, you used what you thought was the right way. You felt it is good for people to benefit off of cyronics. My belief is pure life from quality not quantity.

Are you misspelling cryonics on purpose? In all your posts you keep consistently misspelling it "cyronics", despite Ketcham's attempt to correct you. I'm a person who enjoys reading, so seeing the misspelling over and over is a bit annoying.

[Steven]

Originally Posted by CSS_overseer

I would have posted a lot sooner, if this post came via e-mail!

Well cyronics is bringing people back from the dead. Frankenstein was brought back from the dead. It's my literary illumination about the topic. I was pointing out a moral scenario that are dealt with this matter. Ethics does play a role in swaying the burden of proof. One cannot live on the basis of just pure logic. It is very likely you are in accordance with me because that is madness! We cannot even program a computer to do thinking for us yet. Trust me, I know.

You have a gut reaction about life too. After using logic, you used what you thought was the right way. You felt it is good for people to benefit off of cyronics. My belief is pure life from quality not quantity.

What moral scenario are you talking about? By bringing up Frankenstein, you seem to think that you have shown that there is something wrong. But in fact you have shown nothing. Frankenstein is fiction. If you revive someone that just had a heart attack, would you consider them to be Frankenstein-like?

Please clearly point out what is bad about cryonics instead of using scare tactics.

I said nothing about living with pure logic. An argument involves using logic to prove a point. That is why I brought up logic.

[Ketcham82]

Originally Posted by Steven

What moral scenario are you talking about? By bringing up Frankenstein, you seem to think that you have shown that there is something wrong. But in fact you have shown nothing. Frankenstein is fiction. If you revive someone that just had a heart attack, would you consider them to be Frankenstein-like?

Please clearly point out what is bad about cryonics instead of using scare tactics.

I said nothing about living with pure logic. An argument involves using logic to prove a point. That is why I brought up logic.

What? Are you serious or are you stoned? This thread serves no purpose and this topic has no base for argument. This is insane.

[Steven]

Originally Posted by Ketcham82

What? Are you serious or are you stoned? This thread serves no purpose and this topic has no base for argument. This is insane.

What are you talking about? My post was a reply to CSS_overseer's post. He was attempting to make an argument against cryonics in terms of ethics. Did you even bother reading what I was replying to before posting?

[CSS_overseer]

Originally Posted by zoedragon

Are you misspelling cryonics on purpose? In all your posts you keep consistently misspelling it "cyronics", despite Ketcham's attempt to correct you. I'm a person who enjoys reading, so seeing the misspelling over and over is a bit annoying.

Ouch! Thanks so much zoedragon. It's a force of habit for me because as sharp of a person I may be in checkers and chess, I make slight mistakes from misperceptions and that is where I get drilled in life!

[CSS_overseer]

Originally Posted by Steven

What moral scenario are you talking about? By bringing up Frankenstein, you seem to think that you have shown that there is something wrong. But in fact you have shown nothing. Frankenstein is fiction. If you revive someone that just had a heart attack, would you consider them to be Frankenstein-like?

Please clearly point out what is bad about cryonics instead of using scare tactics.

I said nothing about living with pure logic. An argument involves using logic to prove a point. That is why I brought up logic.

The worst thing that could possibly happen with the use of cryonics is the start of an underground market of regeneration. There will inevitably be smart enemies. I don't think people are inline with seeing a person taking granted for being alive after having underwent a life-deceiving trick. I was thinking about a horrible auto-related accident. Cryonics would be more than just a mere "gift of fire." With biotechnology that advanced, do you see the earth over-populating? Grandparents who should have long been deceased and mourned after their loss. What if they become cynical and view people as reproducing rabbits. In generality, it would be foolish to integrate cryonics into our society before a physical catastrophe wipes out mankind. We should be fair to posterity by having reason in seeing their sound development.

[zoedragon]

Originally Posted by CSS_overseer

In generality, it would be foolish to integrate cryonics into our society before a physical catastrophe wipes out mankind.

I don't quite understand this statement. It would be foolish for society to be using cryonics because a giant meteor might wipe us out anyway? Like don't bother, we're all dead in a few years anyway? That's quite a grim view on life.

The statement about grandparents being cynical.... most grandparents already ARE cynical and they, for the most part, do not fear death. Those who are interested in cryonics want more out of life, they aren't ready to leave yet. They aren't the cynical ones.

I think perhaps you are equating cryonics with immortality? It won't stop you from dying of old age.

[CSS_overseer]

Originally Posted by zoedragon

I don't quite understand this statement. It would be foolish for society to be using cryonics because a giant meteor might wipe us out anyway? Like don't bother, we're all dead in a few years anyway? That's quite a grim view on life.

The statement about grandparents being cynical.... most grandparents already ARE cynical and they, for the most part, do not fear death. Those who are interested in cryonics want more out of life, they aren't ready to leave yet. They aren't the cynical ones.

I think perhaps you are equating cryonics with immortality? It won't stop you from dying of old age.

Exactly, I was thinking cryonics is based on immortality. I just had a gut feeling about something bad occurring. One idea sticks in my head: bringing people back from the dead. Add to that, the cloning of new organs persay. I have heard about an idea of taking a piece of skin and then generating a perfect DNA strand. From word of mouth by a former House of Representative, my Government/Politics teacher, it is possible to make any technological advancement. If it is not the way I view it, like sticking a corpse (mutilated or not) in a machine and then switching the on button, then I will not object to it.

[CSS_overseer]

Originally Posted by zoedragon

I don't quite understand this statement. It would be foolish for society to be using cryonics because a giant meteor might wipe us out anyway?

No, not a meteor. It's not based on the movie. Physicists might say that the sun will die out someday and not give us gravity to sustain Earth. Some of these people may also claim that entropy will freeze the Earth. Don't ask me why because you are not supposed to really get physics but be able to make connections with equations.

I'll be very straight forward. I believe in a Biblical prophecy of Armageddon taking place in which the anti-Christ wipes out a lot of people during a tribulation and the bloodiest battle ever. The Christians will have rapture because of their covenant with Jesus Christ and be taken up into heaven. It is somewhere in the New Testament, try using the Book of John for background. This may sound out of place but is already out of context with what we are already discussing. If you wish to challenge this for a basis, then I'll have to finish reading the Bible even quicker.

[Steven]

Originally Posted by CSS_overseer

The worst thing that could possibly happen with the use of cryonics is the start of an underground market of regeneration. There will inevitably be smart enemies. I don't think people are inline with seeing a person taking granted for being alive after having underwent a life-deceiving trick. I was thinking about a horrible auto-related accident. Cryonics would be more than just a mere "gift of fire." With biotechnology that advanced, do you see the earth over-populating? Grandparents who should have long been deceased and mourned after their loss. What if they become cynical and view people as reproducing rabbits. In generality, it would be foolish to integrate cryonics into our society before a physical catastrophe wipes out mankind. We should be fair to posterity by having reason in seeing their sound development.

You have made a whole range of claims and yet none of them are backed up with evidence. I think you need to read this.

"Smart enemies"? They already exist. If they were dumb we wouldn't be concerned with them. Cryonics has nothing to do with this.

Just because people live longer doesn't mean that the world will overpopulate. The main cause of overpopulation is reproduction. If reproduction rate is exponential, whether death rate is linear or zero won't matter. There will still be overpopulation. The only feasible way to slow overpopulation is to slow the populating of the world with new people.

So what if they become cynical? Would you kill someone today just because they became cynical?

How does cyronics affect "sound development"

[zoedragon]

Originally Posted by CSS_overseer

Physicists might say that the sun will die out someday and not give us gravity to sustain Earth. Some of these people may also claim that entropy will freeze the Earth.

I'll be very straight forward. I believe in a Biblical prophecy of Armageddon taking place in which the anti-Christ wipes out a lot of people during a tribulation and the bloodiest battle ever. The Christians will have rapture because of their covenant with Jesus Christ and be taken up into heaven. It is somewhere in the New Testament, try using the Book of John for background. This may sound out of place but is already out of context with what we are already discussing. If you wish to challenge this for a basis, then I'll have to finish reading the Bible even quicker.

So basically the world is either going to hell or getting vaporized in some way, at some indeterminate time in the future, so we shouldn't bother to research for the future. I'm not challenging the prophecies of either the Bible or the astrophysicists. But living in fear is no way to live. Cryonics is based on giving back the life that was prematurely taken from an individual due to a fatal disease. Cure the disease and let the person live out the rest of their life. That's the idea behind cryonics.

The real question for me is, after a person has died, do their memories go with them? Reviving a person and curing their disease wouldn't help anyone if they couldn't remember anything.