Would you donate your body to science? - Page 2

CSS_overseer · 12-04-04, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by JPWRana

i would sell my organs. you can make top dollar for that... if im gonna be dead, what would i care. atleast let my family make some $$$ off of my death.

I would just leave my family to decide for me. Whatever may be, I'm sure it would be for the best. I think it is sort of erronenous to research on bringing people back from the dead. I guess the cyronics may have a great impact for US soldiers who are left no choice but to hibernate in freezing temperatures and expand upon the more fighting terrains.

Steven · 12-04-04, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by CSS_overseer

I would just leave my family to decide for me. Whatever may be, I'm sure it would be for the best. I think it is sort of erronenous to research on bringing people back from the dead. I guess the cyronics may have a great impact for US soldiers who are left no choice but to hibernate in freezing temperatures and expand upon the more fighting terrains.

Why is it "erronenous" to research cryonics?

CSS_overseer · 12-04-04, 06:56 PM

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Why is it "erronenous" to research cryonics?

I do not like the idea of a convicted killer coming back from the dead. You know, someone like Hitler who has that heinous desire for seeing human blood. It would stink to have to kill him again. Have you seen Demolition Man? The system won't ever be that mellow, but hey maybe Arnie will have his own library someday.

Steven · 12-05-04, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by CSS_overseer

I do not like the idea of a convicted killer coming back from the dead. You know, someone like Hitler who has that heinous desire for seeing human blood. It would stink to have to kill him again. Have you seen Demolition Man? The system won't ever be that mellow, but hey maybe Arnie will have his own library someday.

So would you say that we shouldn't have developed life saving procedures such as heart transplantation because the lives of murders could also be saved using the procedure?

CSS_overseer · 12-05-04, 01:48 AM

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So would you say that we shouldn't have developed life saving procedures such as heart transplantation because the lives of murders could also be saved using the procedure?

Huh? Would you say that the lives of murderers are the best kind to advocate?
Enough going off the subject.

Please tell me about your opinion on cryogenics.

Steven · 12-05-04, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by CSS_overseer

Huh? Would you say that the lives of murderers are the best kind to advocate?

What are you talking about? I said nothing about advocating helping murderers. The benefits of developing heart transplantation is the saving of lives. The cost is murderers lives are also saved. Heart transplantation is analogous to cryonics in this sense. I was implying that the benefits outweigh the costs. You apparently don't think so.

Inge · 12-05-04, 12:25 PM

In Germany you can carry an organ donor pass with you. There you can write down if you want to donate all organs, only special organs, nothing or you can write down a name of a person who will decide in this situation. In the last case you can prohibit that the doctor won't help you because of your organs. Is it the same in the USA?

CSS_overseer · 12-05-04, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Steven

The cost is murderers lives are also saved. Heart transplantation is analogous to cryonics in this sense. I was implying that the benefits outweigh the costs. You apparently don't think so.

Heart transplantation is a good deal. Cryonics if not abused is good too, but I think it implies human immortality. It is like an act of playing God that I am afraid of. If a child had a rare case of heart disease, then he or she should learn to cope with it. It really depends on the outlook of things. If the child was under so much pain and really young, then maybe it would be right to enact cyrogenics. It's quality and not the quantity of years that you should think about. Joys over making a living.

I did say that soldiers could hibernate under freezing temperatures if the terrains had to be expanded. This does imply a good usage of cyronics.

I need a good reason to what you mean with your statement.

CSS_overseer · 12-05-04, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Steven

What are you talking about? I said nothing about advocating helping murderers. The benefits of developing heart transplantation is the saving of lives. The cost is murderers lives are also saved. Heart transplantation is analogous to cryonics in this sense. I was implying that the benefits outweigh the costs. You apparently don't think so.

Oh, let me mention one more opinion. I think the burden of proof will lie with your perspective of cyrogenics.

Steven · 12-05-04, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CSS_overseer

It is like an act of playing God that I am afraid of.

What is god?

Steven · 12-05-04, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CSS_overseer

Oh, let me mention one more opinion. I think the burden of proof will lie with your perspective of cyrogenics.

What burden of proof are you talking about? I think you are confused with the terms, cryogenics and cryonics.

CSS_overseer · 12-07-04, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Steven

What burden of proof are you talking about? I think you are confused with the terms, cryogenics and cryonics.

Excuse my erroneous tongue, CYROGENICS does not exist in the dictionary. I meant cyronics.

The burden of proof that I am talking about, is that I don't think many are willing to see cyronics go through. You read my statement about the act of playing God. I don't know if it is just me, but cyronics should not be commercialized!

CSS_overseer · 12-07-04, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Steven

What is god?

God is the belief of the greatest spirit that ever existed and is living to this day! God is derived from the Greek language, which means "The Greatest thing of all." In the field of philosophy, the definition is most elaborative with a line of dialogue by Socrates from Plato's Apology. The God I am referring to has a property called igope which means the greatest form of love in Greek. He is above all the wooden or carved idols that mimic many properties of God. These properties include "a healing power", "law and order", "mercy", and "presenter of gifts." He is one spirit, the ultimate.

I am not a religious man because I just believe in the Bible. Beliefs are a mainstream to our culture and a very important aspect. It is shaped by the media and the people around us. Many anti-creationists may tell us that evolution is what started the human race. The evidence leads to an implication of extinct apes with DNA that is very similar to the human race. In fact nowadays, primates have a gene pool that is very similar to our genes. Science is philosophically a field of exactness. A practioner of logic can always evoke the Induction Principle which is assuming a conclusion after forming a basis.
In my opinion, the basis of human evolution is not exactly stated. What started the atoms? What started the Big Bang or String Theory? What started the word existence? The basis is what is needed to bring up a sound reason. God has a reasonable basis. Whether you choose to believe it or not, I feel that God started the atoms, the Big Bang or String Theory. The developmental stages of the fetus in every animal.
Let's assume for a brief moment that the Bible is true in every way that is meant to be presented (this is a difficult thing to do). Trust in the Holy Bible is the entity that allows us to feel confident about the assumption. Is it fairly reasonable for one to conclude that evolution has developed more trust than the Bible?

Steven, I hope I gave you a good explanation of God, which is based upon what I think is a rebuttal to atheism. Let's continue this heated debate about cyronics.

Ketcham82 · 12-07-04, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CSS_overseer

God is the belief of the greatest spirit that ever existed and is living to this day! God is derived from the Greek language, which means "The Greatest thing of all." In the field of philosophy, the definition is most elaborative with a line of dialogue by Socrates from Plato's Apology. The God I am referring to has a property called igope which means the greatest form of love in Greek. He is above all the wooden or carved idols that mimic many properties of God. These properties include "a healing power", "law and order", "mercy", and "presenter of gifts." He is one spirit, the ultimate.

I am not a religious man because I just believe in the Bible. Beliefs are a mainstream to our culture and a very important aspect. It is shaped by the media and the people around us. Many anti-creationists may tell us that evolution is what started the human race. The evidence leads to an implication of extinct apes with DNA that is very similar to the human race. In fact nowadays, primates have a gene pool that is very similar to our genes. Science is philosophically a field of exactness. A practioner of logic can always evoke the Induction Principle which is assuming a conclusion after forming a basis.
In my opinion, the basis of human evolution is not exactly stated. What started the atoms? What started the Big Bang or String Theory? What started the word existence? The basis is what is needed to bring up a sound reason. God has a reasonable basis. Whether you choose to believe it or not, I feel that God started the atoms, the Big Bang or String Theory. The developmental stages of the fetus in every animal.
Let's assume for a brief moment that the Bible is true in every way that is meant to be presented (this is a difficult thing to do). Trust in the Holy Bible is the entity that allows us to feel confident about the assumption. Is it fairly reasonable for one to conclude that evolution has developed more trust than the Bible?

Steven, I hope I gave you a good explanation of God, which is based upon what I think is a rebuttal to atheism. Let's continue this heated debate about cyronics.

Wow! You must be one hell of a religious nut to come up with this nonsense. To say that you're not religious, yet express an extreme view--the Christian view--as the gospel of human basis, you condemn yourself to be called a hypocrite. All religious have valid views on how creation started, but like all religious nuts, you happen to impose Christianity as the "ultimate truth".

And by the way, it's Cryogenics... not cyronics. A benevolent God gave us dictionaries, use them wisely.

Steven · 12-07-04, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CSS_overseer

God is the belief of the greatest spirit that ever existed and is living to this day! God is derived from the Greek language, which means "The Greatest thing of all." In the field of philosophy, the definition is most elaborative with a line of dialogue by Socrates from Plato's Apology. The God I am referring to has a property called igope which means the greatest form of love in Greek. He is above all the wooden or carved idols that mimic many properties of God. These properties include "a healing power", "law and order", "mercy", and "presenter of gifts." He is one spirit, the ultimate.

I am not a religious man because I just believe in the Bible. Beliefs are a mainstream to our culture and a very important aspect. It is shaped by the media and the people around us. Many anti-creationists may tell us that evolution is what started the human race. The evidence leads to an implication of extinct apes with DNA that is very similar to the human race. In fact nowadays, primates have a gene pool that is very similar to our genes. Science is philosophically a field of exactness. A practioner of logic can always evoke the Induction Principle which is assuming a conclusion after forming a basis.
In my opinion, the basis of human evolution is not exactly stated. What started the atoms? What started the Big Bang or String Theory? What started the word existence? The basis is what is needed to bring up a sound reason. God has a reasonable basis. Whether you choose to believe it or not, I feel that God started the atoms, the Big Bang or String Theory. The developmental stages of the fetus in every animal.

Then what created God?

Steven · 12-07-04, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ketcham82

And by the way, it's Cryogenics... not cyronics. A benevolent God gave us dictionaries, use them wisely.

cryonics - The process of freezing and storing the body of a diseased, recently deceased person to prevent tissue decomposition so that at some future time the person might be brought back to life upon development of new medical cures.

cryogenics - The production of low temperatures or the study of low-temperature phenomena. Also called cryogeny.

**zoedragon** · 12-07-04, 06:15 PM

It's interesting how many articles about cryonics come up in Google when you search for "cyronics". Guess that typo happens quite often.

***Admin*** · 12-07-04, 06:39 PM

Is cyonics actually practiced today?

What is your meaning of life, Steven?

Steven · 12-07-04, 06:44 PM

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What is your meaning of life, Steven?

You can look it up yourself here. If by meaning you don't mean definition, but rather purpose, then for me it is to do what I want to do.

CSS_overseer · 12-07-04, 07:30 PM

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Wow! You must be one hell of a religious nut to come up with this nonsense. To say that you're not religious, yet express an extreme view--the Christian view--as the gospel of human basis, you condemn yourself to be called a hypocrite. All religious have valid views on how creation started, but like all religious nuts, you happen to impose Christianity as the "ultimate truth".

And by the way, it's Cryogenics... not cyronics. A benevolent God gave us dictionaries, use them wisely.

Please, elaborate on valid views of other religions. I am not a religious person because I say so! I just believe in the Bible! Like you believe in yourself and whatever trash you may impose onto others.

And by the way, I said CYRONICS. Look here. Cyronics is defined to be bringing back people back from the dead after freezing their deceased parts. Are you trying to look out for Steven? I'm sorry, the essence is the debate of cryonics. Steven asked a question "What is god?"

That's the answer you received. I mean pretty please, Please, elaborate on valid views of other religions. If you are joining the cyronics debate, then go ahead and join Steven and me.

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Inge Newcomer Joined: Nov 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 40	In Germany you can carry an organ donor pass with you. There you can write down if you want to donate all organs, only special organs, nothing or you can write down a name of a person who will decide in this situation. In the last case you can prohibit that the doctor won't help you because of your organs. Is it the same in the USA?

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