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10-06-04, 11:03 AM
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| Fire-breather  Joined: Mar 2004 Location: Inglewood, CA
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Opponents claim "Governor Schwarzenegger, fire-fighters, sheriffs, police, tribes, taxpayers, labor, educators say: NO on 68." Yet the contact FOR Prop 68 is Sheriff Lee Baca and Sheriff Lou Blanas! Another misleading statement. Revenues from these casinos, should the prop pass, are to be divided as follows: 30% of revenues go to the state fund. 2% goes to the city, and 1% goes to the county. Why would the state try to take money away from the locals if they are already receiving 30%? BUT all this comes to pass only IF the state is unable to get all the gaming tribes to agree to "contribute" 25% of their slot machine profits within 90 days. 90 days?? Are they kidding? It probably takes that long just to set up a date for starting negotiations! This sounds unrealistic and bogus to me. It would be so easy to stall for that long, then part two of the provision will kick in, allowing the non-tribal casinos. Either way it seems like strong-arming the tribes into something they don't want. Then there's the traffic issue. Heaven knows traffic is bad enough as it is, not sure how it will be like with casinos. It takes over half an hour just to drive a mile down The Strip in Las Vegas. Granted that street is lined with nothing but casinos. Without them their streets would be empty. But our streets are already full WITHOUT the casinos. Then there's the whole "renegotiating the tribal compacts" thing. What renegotiating will there be? From what I understand it's an ultimatum: Pay up or we're going to take away your monopoly. It seems more like bullying to me, much like the historical actions of the U.S. government towards the tribes in the past. That ain't cool in my book. I was still undecided because both sides have fairly convincing arguments. The primary website against prop 68 quoted a bunch of editorial sources so you can see what organizations are really against this measure. The primary website in favor of prop 68 was very slick and polished, complete with a flash intro for their website. It screams "big money" to me and I don't quite trust it. The whole "Fair Share for California" seems like such a spin story. What kind of "fair share" did the tribes get when they got sent to the armpit deserts of California? How fair is it to live in 120-degree squalor where no one wants to visit and spend money? How do you live like that and still have pride in your tribe? Okay, so despite the exaggerations on both sides of the proposition, I have [finally] decided that Proposition 68 is a Bad Thing and I will vote no on it. Does anyone else care to share their insights? Maybe I missed something? | |
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10-06-04, 04:55 PM
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10-06-04, 04:57 PM
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Gov. Arnold is already talking to Tribes to strike a deal, if 68 or 70 passes it messes up the WHOLE deal...Plans are under way for these tribes to pay taxes...Or so thats what the Governor is saying... | |
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10-06-04, 04:59 PM
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In earlier post i stated "Being Drunk + gambling = Don't mix" | |
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10-06-04, 05:03 PM
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Look whos voting NO.... Statewide Constitutional Officers Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger Lieutenant Governor Cruz M. Bustamante Treasurer Phil Angelides Controller Steve Westly Secretary of State Kevin Shelley Superintendent of Public Instruction Jack O¹Connell Statewide Public Safety Organizations California Coalition of Law Enforcement Associations California State Sheriffs¹ Association California Police Chiefs Association California Professional Firefighters California State Firefighters¹ Association California District Attorneys Association Peace Officers Research Association of California California Association of Highway Patrolmen California Correctional Peace Officers Association California Department of Forestry Firefighters California Educational Peace Officers Association CAUSE _ Statewide Law Enforcement Association Association of Conservation Employees Association of Criminalists _ DOJ Association of Deputy Commissioners Association of Motor Carrier Operations Specialists Association of Motor Vehicle Investigators of California Association of Special Agents _ DOJ California Association of Criminal Investigators California Association of Food and Drug Investigators California Association of Fraud Investigators California Association of Regulatory Investigators and Inspectors California Association of State Investigators California Fish and Game Wardens Association California Organization of Licensing Registration Examiners Chicano Correctional Workers Association CHP _ Radio Dispatchers Association Fire Marshal and Emergency Services Association Hospital Police Association of California Minorities in Law Enforcement State Employed Fire Fighters Association State Park Peace Officers Association of California AND MANY MANY MORE | |
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10-06-04, 05:06 PM
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10-06-04, 05:07 PM
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A voter should use logic when deciding how to vote. The majority's opinion is not necessarily the right opinion. | |
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10-06-04, 05:09 PM
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P.S....Please if you can later on don't quote the WHOLE post.....My eyes hurt for some reason....  | |
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10-06-04, 05:13 PM
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| Fire-breather Joined: Mar 2004 Location: Inglewood, CA
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| I'd be interested to see who IS in favor of this proposition. The race tracks and card rooms to be sure. What I found interesting was that the contact FOR Prop 68 is Sheriff Lee Baca and Sheriff Lou Blanas. Why are two sherriffs listed as contacts in FAVOR of this prop when the organization they represent is against it? Then again I didn't catch WHICH sheriff's organization they were from. |
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10-06-04, 05:18 PM
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| hehehe...look at this Quote:
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10-06-04, 05:21 PM
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10-06-04, 05:22 PM
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Is that the point you're making then? That the attempt to get tribes to pay this percentage is just for show? | |
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10-06-04, 05:26 PM
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10-06-04, 05:27 PM
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10-06-04, 05:32 PM
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What do YOU think im saying..... anyways I got to go get my mother from the train station, C-Ya | |
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10-06-04, 05:36 PM
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10-06-04, 05:38 PM
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and I am saying that because Native Americans have GONE THROUGH ALOT of crap over the years....These TV spots from yes on 68 are making people hate Native american Casino owners even more..... Anyways...Now i got to go for real...bye bye | |
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10-06-04, 05:40 PM
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