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[orangecounty58]

hey x I can only go off exactly what you say. maybe it's a problem with how things are said. These last words of yours are the first positive words I have seen you speak of with regards to CPP. I don't know if you are reading what exactly I say. I think you key on words and use them. I read everything thoroughly in attempt not to put words in other people's mouths/fingers. what i keyed on:

"yeah, my family is giving money and big time. my dad has made a ton importing stuff from china and probably would have given big bucks to cal poly"

"so poly's loss is fullerton's gain. (our family believes in education and giving back. but education has to give something too. trust me, it's like night and day comparing fullerton to pomona in business.)"

My words said "Cal Poly is not perfect", and has MANY flaws. My points were to state, "We all deal with problems". Professors are not dumb, I don't blame them for looking for "better" situations. The turnaround in most departments/schools isn't as severe as those you experienced in your school. I would not say CPP has a better business school, nor have I ever. X, I was stressing you make it sound like you were put in the corner, forced to due work, scolded/abused and gained nothing. My main point was things mentioned sounded exacerbated. Parking can be far, but shuttles do pick you up if you want to wait. I walked it, at times, and I was a broken man. At least there is parking now

i knew many of the football players; can't say i miss the them.I mentioned earlier they weren't studious, nor were they courteous. Our woman's basketball team was always good, and won a title in their division. It didn't change anything much. We've had some good teams, yet they were not supported, expressed reasons that may explain why previously. Family members from CSUF (including a business grad) never followed or cared for sports at CSUF. I knew more about the teams then they did, and had friends who played for CSUF on the baseball and softball teams. My philosophy about schools is, go to the best one you can, or to the place that offers the best education in that area. I told my cousin to go to a few schools for journalism, and they weren't cal poly. She decided to go to CSUF. Her best friend is in love with the CPP campus and is hell bent on going their. I've even advised her to finish her CC schooling and evaluate her options then. I also mentioned how much I enjoyed going to CPP. Her uncle is music major at CPP and loves going to school there. I could only imagine how small the budget for the music department is (8 full time teachers/23 part timers) and yet still loves it. I believe the CSUF music department is much larger and stricter.

Guess it's all about perspective, and X, our perspectives differ on many levels.

Jay you're correct about management acting as if everything is good. I'm not arguing that. Just a man being fair. For instance, Dean Hohmann acts like everything is good in the job market and all these companies are forking over money and equipment.

http://video.csupomona.edu/Promo/EdHohmann-245.asx

exaggerated obviously, but many of the other points he has are valid. we have alums everywhere, from physicists at CERN ( Geneva/France ) to managers at local/international hotel chains. Just have to get competent business individuals, alums and professors to help shake off the malaise.

[xiaoxue]

you sound like a very wise man. i thank you for your perspective on things.

you're right, i should add some of the good things about poly. while none of them relate to the business school other than the many great professors the university chased away, i agree it's a beautiful campus and most of the people are friendly.

maybe when there are some new leaders hired things will start to improve. people say fullerton was not as good under president cobb as with president gordon, so everything goes in cycles. i have friends at USC who say president sample has raised more than five billion (with a B) dollars and has elevated the trojan nation from the university of spoiled children to the top fifteen in the nation in just a decade. similar steps have been done with president doti over at chapman.

so it can be done. maybe as an old man i'll see cal poly as one of the elites again.

[cppbronco]

Give it up xman. Everyone here is a bronco for life except you . These true broncos want CPP to improve and do well in the future. However, until that happens we will not turn our backs on the school as you and your family have. CPP will be an elite schol once again whereas csuf has never been and will never be one. Its a regular cal state and there is nothing special or unique about it other than baseball titles and a shiny new business building.

[xiaoxue]

you're like the old mare in the corral unable to see much because you never took your blinders off, bronco.

you live in a dream world where you think anything polytechnic is by definition great and any old ordinary cal state is mediocre or less.

who has a nationally ranked entrepreneurship program? not here, but lowly cal state san bernardino.

who has a nationally renowed online graduate business program? not here, but lowly cal state dominguez hills.

who has a nationally ranked forestry program? not here, but lowly cal state humboldt.

who has the most doctoral programs and the most applications in the system? not here, but lowly san diego state.

who has a BCS level Division I football program? not here but lowly san jose state and san diego state. yeah, they actually go to bowl games and play on national television.

who has more high school valedictorians among its student body than anyone in the system and has TWELVE national Division I championships in SIX different sports? not here but lowly long beach state.

and who not only has FOUR national Division I championships in baseball but also other ones in softball and gymnastics--and oh, by the way, is a top ten program in nursing anesthesiology and communications? not here but lowly cal state fullerton.

you might want to check your facts before blowing off hot air like an overworked cheerleader who never has left the pomona city limits, bronco, for there really are many other outstanding universities around. i never said one time i don't want the place to improve for my degree would be worth more. but i'm not afraid to speak the truth rather than scream go broncos through a megaphone and do nothing more. that's what high school kids do.

[cppbronco]

xman. You have become such a cpp hater its incredible. Its obvious you dont recall that I am at UCLA working on a masters degree so I have left the Pomona area. The UCLA MBA students mock your mba program so dont be to impressed with yourself or your little school.

[jayandbutton]

oh boy, here we go again.

we've had two exciting years of verbal jabbing between these two, mostly about bronco basketball.

with lakdod and me typically trying to break up the clinches.

now it's round three and we've moved beyond kellogg gymnasium.

xman, as stated by many on this board you have a very shrill, abrupt style about you. yes, you tell it like it is but diplomacy never has been your long suit and probably never will be. but huge props to you for doing your homework. you know the CSU very well and defeated bronco's point that everybody not named poly something is just another ordinary cal state. touche. you're not just a fullerton homer. you're right in that there are treasures on many of our campuses if you just look.

bronco, you get props for being a true green and gold loyalist. that's admirable. but why ignore xman's point that there is excellence beyond fullerton as he documents beautifully and then brag about being at UCLA? aren't you just playing his game?

i give round three to the xman on points, but please x, tone it down. we all agree the business college is in the crapper and has been for several years. but look at the outstanding new library addition for example. stop and smell our rose garden too. come on back to the hot dog caper next week and lunch is on us.

[cppbronco]

Jay- I was only playing the UCLA card to shoot down the xman. Its all about gold and green for me. He just makes it sound like csuf is the greatest school on the face of the earth. Its not even the best school in orange county. I am just tired of his pro csuf talk while hating on cpp. On to basketball!!

[jayandbutton]

bronco,
i have started a roundball thread for you, lakdod and all the other diehard fans of coach k., larry monster gordon and all the rest.

come on over and let's chat hoops.
jay

[xiaoxue]

i am going to stick a hot dog into bronco's ear. the jman can see there's no fullerton cheerleader or poly hater here, just one person who actually tells the truth rather than perpetuates myths.

it takes more courage to be a realist than a loyalist, whether you bleed green and gold, orange and blue, or any other color scheme. it takes more effort to see things warts and all and tell it like it is. i have always agreed that poly has many strengths. how can you not like the arabians or the rose garden? or that hot pep band? but how many people know the CLA tower might be torn down due to poor design? or that the college of science had a major investigation into poor management? (i'll bet that started after ortiz was embarrassed from the riot)

hey, fullerton sucks too when we start talking football. it had a mickey mouse team as bad if not worse than poly's and even played for a while at a local high school. and parking still sucks. nobody is great in everything, though USC seems headed in that direction.

since you guys have started talking bronco basketball i'll make a prediction. larry gordon will have another great year but the broncos won't, probably around a .500 record. and coach k. will get so frustrated with the tiny budget he will leave. that nonconference schedule other than the tournament is really lame.

i might go ask coach burton to put the broncos on the schedule just to help out. with two NIT wins and an NCAA bid last year the titans should give some love to their DII neighbors. you can bring your camera, bronco.

will pass on the dogs, but thanks. i'm running a global business now. no time.

[orangecounty58]

X, you begged many questions and missed the point on many. overemphasizing the role of sports. Had a cousin who went to San Diego State and played on the football team. They have only gone to four bowl games, lost three of them and haven't been to a game in 10 years. They really haven't been good since Marshall Faulk was running, catching and returning the rock. SJS has gone to eight bowls, 5-3, last went a couple years ago, but hadnt gone to a bowl game in prior 16 years. lbsu hasnt been to the WS in 10 years. CSUF has been consistent for about 20 years. who has what programs, and who has what division teams do not make any persuasive points. just because a school has a phd program in certain fields of study does not make it any better, or poorer, then another school. i've known many people who have graduated from SD State and Long Beach and have come out thinking "What did you learn in school?" For the most part, those who made me form the same thought process at cpp didn't end up graduating; that is a real good thing.

i could mention programs and facilities cpp has which others school do not have (mentioned a couple already) and then claim, "our school must be better", but then some would say (deservedly so) i had an irrelevant conclusion or possibly even made a converse error. in any case telling others to check facts seems kind of silly if they are going to be used with badly constructed arguments.

most know of the shortcomings found within one's self, and it is probably not a stretch to believe they might know the shortcomings of the school(s) they attend(ed). if one has the blinders X speaks of, one may only see problems with what they see, or may only see the greatness in what they see. In either case it is not a true representation. with blinders removed, one may see a lot more of the surroundings, but still not be able to process everything in front of them and arrive to a true representation of what is seen. that is why we have mouths, so we can describe what we see and ask if our theories/thoughts are shared by others. even if another person's thoughts are not similar to one's own, the thoughts/ideas/theories should be listened to. respecting ideas goes into a grey area, easier to respect ideas when they are based on logic (or science), even if they tend not to be factual at times.


id rather not talk sports, dodgers down 0-2