Gay Bishop

[Admin]

What are your thoughts about the gay bishop (New Hampshire)? If you have no interest in christianity, what are your thoughts if a leader in your religion was gay?

I, for one am against the whole situation. I think it goes against the bible. Don't get me wrong. The bible does mention about welcoming and loving everyone but there are rules and guidelines that need to be followed.

There are no single answer or explanations and different point of views from different perspectives. Just amazing how the gay bishop is now the bishop of the church. History maker.

[JPWRana]

its amazing how the episcopal church has contaminated itself. Pretty stupid IMO.

It's almost just as bad as churches ALLOWING gay marriages. Someone who follows the bibles guidelines should be given MAD PROPS, cuz everyday its harder 2 follow them, cuz temptation is soo much harder (i.e. fornication, gettin drunk )

[Puffguts]

I would rather have an openly gay Bishop than a closet homosexual one who sexually assualts children, as reported by the frenzied media couple months back.

There are lots of uglyness going on under the clean robes of seemly "almost holy" church officials. In the Catholic church's case, denying any man's right to marry / have sexual relationships with women will sometimes twist those man into dangerous sexual predators, even though they were initially stable. I believe the system need to be revised. Allow priests to marry / be with women intimately is not only logical, but fits the nature of human beings.

Compare to the priests that sexually abuse / assualt children, the homosexual Bishop is a Saint in my eyes.

[Admin]

Originally Posted by Puffguts

I believe the system need to be revised. Allow priests to marry / be with women intimately is not only logical, but fits the nature of human beings.

I did not get a chance to study the Catholic religion but how come the priests are not allowed to marry?

[Puffguts]

I think the official doctrine enforces the belief that Priests are the servants of God, and they should relinquish their earthly desires for the opposite sex so their duties would not be hindered (so his love is directed fully toward God, instead of another human being).

Also in the Catholic hierarchy, women cannot become priests. John Paul II is a relatively progressive Pope on religious tolerance (toward Islam and other faiths), yet he takes on a hardline stance on priesthood's gender barrier and reinforced the gender segregation (according to the NPR - National Public Radio, the radio branch of PBS.org).

The reason why I support the gay Bishop is partly because his rise to Bishop symbolized a progressive victory towards the ultra conservative nature of organized religious institution (read: hierarchical institutions. However I am very supportive toward grass-root level religious organizations with no upper level adminstrative units to answer to. More over, the grass-root level religious organizations do not spawn up in chain-store fashion across multiple regions).

[JPWRana]

dear lord... ppl that actually support a gay bishop... u ppl really need to open up your bibles!!!!

[lost-and-found]

I don't understand how that church can continue to teach from the Bible when that church is knowingly breaking one of the rules of Christ's teachings by instituting a gay bishop. It's like saying..."from now on we're also going to pray to other gods" even though the 1st commandment states that there is only one God. You cannot just pick and choose which rules you will follow just for the sake of convinience.

[Ludranian]

Well, unless you are part of the actual institute then I do not believe one should actively refute or agree with the decision of that church. It is not out decision to make.

[Admin]

I just hope other churches will not follow in their footsteps. It is very straightforward and straight out of the bible.
Only in the United States would such an event be open nationwide.

[JPWRana]

becuz of "freedom of speech", which is CLEARLY independent of theocratical laws

[Polygirl]

I think that we have no right to judge on anyone's sexual preference. It has nothing to do with how well a person can do their job. I would be okay with a leader in my community being gay, just as I am if someone is straight--- it's none of my business. Yes, I know that the bible says that it's wrong... But, well, we sometimes have to adjust to modern times... at least that's my take on things...

[JPWRana]

Originally Posted by Polygirl

I think that we have no right to judge on anyone's sexual preference. It has nothing to do with how well a person can do their job. I would be okay with a leader in my community being gay, just as I am if someone is straight--- it's none of my business. Yes, I know that the bible says that it's wrong... But, well, we sometimes have to adjust to modern times... at least that's my take on things...

it's called hipocresy polygirl. I know of a few ppl that are awesome preachers, but BECAUSE OF THEIR ACTIONS AND SUCH, they aren't qualified 2 be leaders. Take Jesus as an example... he was.... PERFECT... it also helped he was an awesome preacher. Take also Paul as an example... b4 he knew the truth, HE ACTUALLY WAS A BOUNTY HUNTER for christians... HOWEVER, once he changed his ways, HIS ACTIONS, God then wanted his help. Never will u see in the bible a biblical character whose been publicly recognized (whether as a jew in the old testament, or a christian in the new testament) for being a leader in preaching WHILE HE'S (even atleast) OPENLY admitting he does something that's CLEARLY AGAINST HIS OWN TEACHINGS....
it's called hipocresy.

I would rather have someone whose preaching methods are a little more boring teach me, because his actions and examples and him as a model will PROVE TO ME what he teaches is what he practices than someone whose an AWESOME preacher yet when the curtains close, he drinks excessively, fornicates, get's his @$$ rammed (eww!)... contradicting himself.... IT WOULD BE EVEN WORSE IF HE WERE TO NOT CLOSE THE CURTAINS AND JUST TELL EVERYONE THAT HE DOES IT... it would just prove that its ok to do what i just taught you NOT TO DO.

ps- its called hipocresy polygirl

[Tarak Chunsa]

I know we can't discriminate homosexuals and I don't.
I wouldn't mind having a homosexual Cal Poly president or a homosexual ASI president, but not a christian leader. Goes against the whole religion.

I don't understand how people relates the religion with today's society norms.

[JPWRana]

Originally Posted by Tarak Chunsa

I know we can't discriminate homosexuals and I don't.
I wouldn't mind having a homosexual Cal Poly president or a homosexual ASI president, but not a christian leader. Goes against the whole religion.

I don't understand how people relates the religion with today's society norms.

because society was never meant 2 have sexual relations with the same sex. it is not normal. Humans are just as natural as animals. When have u ever seen a male dog humping a male dog... or a male beaver having intercourse w/ another male intercourse.... EXACTLY!!!
God never made Adam and Steve... he mad Adam and Eve. The reason ppl have sex w/ the same sex IS BECAUSE they grew up w/ an f'ed up life. ex: a girl gets abused by her dad, step dad, bro, a teacher, and when she gets older may end up w/ the twisted idea that men are evil and will then only pursue girls, because she can relate to them, or WHATEVER. Or because THEY SIMPLY WEREN'T TAUGHT CORRECTLY. Nowadays its harder because even if u are raised in a very warm and comfy christian environment, the media is everywhere, and they are more open to homosexuality because i suppose it sells or somethin... i.e. Will and Grace, Queer as Folk. On those shows, they show that ITS OK TO BE GAY, TO LIKE SOME1 OF THE OPPOSITE SEX!!! and they see that as acceptance.

[Puffguts]

"When have u ever seen a male dog humping a male dog... or a male beaver having intercourse w/ another male intercourse.... EXACTLY!!!"

Actually it does occur in many of the wild life populations. PBS (KVCR for San Bernadino County) once showed a Nature program which slightly touched on the topic of animal homosexuality, which it happened to show a courtship ritual that was supposed to involve a male deer and a female deer, but in that case two male deers were involved.

To learn more about animal homosexuality, check this out:

Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity
Link:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...06336?v=glance

Also read the very informative article here, a Salon.com article cached by Google:

Title: A BIOLOGIST OFFERS THE FIRST VISION OF A TANTALIZINGLY DIVERSE NATURAL WORLD: NOT ALL ANIMALS ARE STRAIGHT ARROWS.

http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache...hl=en&ie=UTF-8

The reason why the world is totally uninformed about the facts of animal homosexuality is due to the common discrimination and deep misbelief that "homosexuality is a disease of the advanced human mind." To many people and especially people with deep religious beliefs (on the topic which human is apart from the rest of biological organisms), a mind isn't a common trait for the animals. Most of my Christian friends believe animals do not posess intelligence or self-awareness. What they have are instincts and only instincts. (according to experiments broadcasted on Discovery / National Geographic / PBS, a number of animals are self-aware).

In my opinion, homosexuality is not helping evolution or selective breeding, yet it might release the frustration on the animal / human that are denied mating rights (example: someone who is taught since youth to avoid sexual relationship with the opposite sex until mid-20s - Puritans for example).

Homosexuality is not a disease, it is probably just an innate mechanism that "allows another way out" for those that are incapable / denied of mating with the opposite sex yet still retains the strong sexual desires due to our instincts. For many people, this device is never in the need of activation - the people who we call "straight", yet for some others, this mental "switch" or "backdoor" allows them to release their sexual desire on the same sex, they are who we call "homosexuals."

If the mental switch does not exist, those people / animal would probably go crazy since their mind does not allow an alternative for their mateless / denied state.

In conclusion: Animals do possess homosexuality tendencies, we just don't (or don't want to) hear about it. Additionally, any private / state funded researchers will likely keep it under the rug. Who knows if the funding will suddenly stop flowing if they publish their findings? I am pretty sure the public outcry would ruin their career.

[JPWRana]

Originally Posted by Puffguts

"When have u ever seen a male dog humping a male dog... or a male beaver having intercourse w/ another male intercourse.... EXACTLY!!!"

Actually it does occur in many of the wild life populations. PBS (KVCR for San Bernadino County) once showed a Nature program which slightly touched on the topic of animal homosexuality, which it happened to show a courtship ritual that was supposed to involve a male deer and a female deer, but in that case two male deers were involved.

exactly... perhaps it did SLIGHTLY TOUCHED, meaning very very little, having almost no significance. that does not mean that it has enough credible support 2 even suggest these kind of normal, or even semi-normal behavior of animals.. what about overall? i have NEVER heard a biologist talk about queer animals... ask any of the BIO staff... lets see what their opinion would be about fag dogs or homo cats or that sort.

[Puffguts]

Please remember the source of funding for all PBS shows are community based. If a show has semi-dedicated focus on homosexual animals, then the public outcry will sure ruin the local PBS' funding. What other programs can be aired on any other stations without having homophobic viewers switch off the channel, or even turn off the TV for good?

However, we cannot assume much regarding this issue. Nobody talks about it means very little other than the scientific community's taboo on homosexuality in animal, which in term can be used to justify the occurance / legality of human homosexuality - a political issue. Does the Discovery Channel want to divide up its viewers into two camps?

Initially JPWRana assumed animal homosexuality is not possible because he and the media he subscribes does not touch the issue (He doesn't hear about it). Yet with the above links and researches JPWRana states the occurances are insignificant because the assumption that they are rare. This proves human opinions can be changed with facts and information.

The article (second link) further proves scientists (biologists) rely on assumption like all of us. They see two animals conducting court-ship rituals and automatically assume the gender of the animals, until careful observations prove it otherwise.

Further more to illustrate my point, we as a society rarely talk about KKK / Aryan Nation / American Neo-Nazi Party activities in the U.S., or specifically, Southern California. But does it mean they are not here? Most people do not know Aryan Nation's activity in Southern California / Orange, Riverside and San Diego counties with Orange County as one of their small enclaves.

Want to know if you are living right next to a KKK outpost or someone with an oversized Confederate flag hanging in the middle of his living room? Oh by the way, if you are living near Long Beach, be ready for skin-heads handing out White Power fliers in front of a supermarket near you. Check out this map to see where your local hate groups:

http://www.tolerance.org/maps/hate/state.jsp?state_id=5

Here is a list of past hate events:

Saturday, July 05, 2003 Orange County, California White power music concert Sponsored by Hammerskin Nation Southern California
Note: Bands scheduled to play include Max Resist, Intimidation One, Youngland

Saturday, October 11, 2003 - Saturday, October 18, 2003 Orange County, California Feast of Tabernacles Gathering sponsored by Orange County Assembly of Christ, not the regular Assemblies of Christ, but a congregation whose followers practice Christian Identity, a racist and anti-Semitic religion

.....

It was surprising that many people told me it was their first time seeing a map and documented hate group activities like that. "It is impossible," they said. "I never see it on TV... my friends don't talk about it, and CourtTV shows nothing like this." I always tell them to check out the more detailed map on the FBI's website, look under ultra-patriot groups and you will even find where your friendly local militias are gearing up to "fight the central government" or if you are living 5 miles away from the local Aryan Nation compound.

Media censorship is active because these hate group's actions reflects negatively to any community they operate in, thus very few of them gets on the local news (which would be bad for future investments and business). Yet they are there, we just don't hear about it. Media controls what we hear and what we know because money is at stake. They want to report what we want to hear, and censor what we don't wish to hear. We as consumers helped them make their policies by flipping the channels.

What does the censorship toward any hate group activities have anything to do with animal homosexuality? Because both are perceived as "negative" and "it shouldn't be happening" by the viewers. When a little bit information does get around, it will be labled as insignificant and considered too rare to be proven as "common."

Homosexuality is not that wide spread in human population, and IF it exists in the animal population with even the slightest ratio with the fewest scientists researching it, then we cannot deny the possibility of homosexuality within the animal population and its connection to humans.

Addtionally, I do brand racists organizations and homophobic organizations together, for many of their members share similar values and memberships.

[JPWRana]

we'll... clearly i was just putting that as an example of what THE REAL TOPIC AT HAND IS, but i guess puffguts is convinced there's some conspiracy to hide THE REAL FACT THAT ANIMALS ARE GAY. I dont know where he's ever eye-witnessed this, but i can sure say i've seen more gay HUMANS than gay animals, let alone gay animals that are leaders.

If puffguts does believe in what the bible says, then he should know that men weren't ment 2 have intercourse w/ men, LET ALONE ANIMALS doing it. If he doesn't, we'll then i guess all he has are his PBS shows where they SLIGHTLY TOUCH that stuff.

[Puffguts]

Naw, no conspiracies, rather they are just possibilities to consider.

[Admin]

Gay-marriage ban questioned: The highest court in Massachussetts ruled this week that the state's ban on gay marriage was unconstitutional. The Supreme Judicial Court ordered the Legislature to resolve the issue within six months, launching what threatened to be a bitter debate. Some lawmakers want to make gay marriage legal, but others have proposed amending the state constitution to define marriage as a union between one man and one woman. Laywers for seven gay couples who had sued for the rights to wed said they were disappointed that the justices didn't legalize gay marriage immediately. Chief Justice Margaret Marshall said that the state should be happy to have any couples, gay or straight, committing to marriage. "It brings stability to our society," she said.

Back to the topic, God loves all people. But God loves people who banks in truth. Homosexuality is against the word of the bible.

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