Family Values Voter Information

[Admin]

Hi. I received a pamphlet today at church, titled "FAMILY VALUES VOTER INFORMATION." Many christian churches favor President George Bush because he follows the "christian belief." Check out the following:


November 2, 2004 General Election - President
Issues
1) Partial Birth Abortion Procedure - Bush Opposes & Kerry Supports
2) Taxpayer Funding of Abortions - Bush Opposes & K Supports
3) Marriage As Only The Union Between One Man and One Woman - Bush Supports & Kerry Opposes
4) Parents Choose Schools via Vouchers - Bush Suports & Kerry Opposes
5) Ban on Human Cloning - Bush Supports & Kerry Opposes
6) Lower Income Taxes or Flat Tax - Bush Supports & Kerry Opposes
7) Eliminination of the Death Tax - Bush Supports & Kerry Opposes
8) Firearms Registration and Licensing of Gun Owners - Bush Opposes & Kerry Supports
9) Adoption of Children by Homosexuals - Bush Opposes & Kerry Supports
10) Mandatory "Three Strikes" Sentencing Laws for Felons - Bush Supports & Kerry Opposes
11) Death Penalty - Bush Supports & Kerry Opposes
12) Privatize Social Security - Bush Supports & Kerry Opposes
13) Federal Tort Reform & Conservative Judges - Bush Supports & Kerry Opposes
14) Limits on Product Liability Punitive Damage Awards - Bush Supports & Kerry Opposes


It seems very biased since christians and the organization that produced this pamphlet heavily favors the George Bush administration and the Republicans. Is everything true about the issues that John Kerry supports and opposes?

Originally Posted by Smallprint in the back of the pamphlet on the bottom

"Paid for and authorized by the Christian Coalition of California, P.O. Box 3502, Huntington Beach, CA 92647. Christian Coalition is a pro-family citizen action organization. This voter guide is provided for educational purposes only and is not to be construed as an endorsement of any candidate or political party. Each candidate was sent a 2004 issues survey by mail. When possible, positions of candidates were verified or determined using voting and/or public statements."
Orange County - Christian Coalition Of California

edit: http://www.ccca.org/2004general/county20041102GE/Orange_ENG20041102GE .htm (You can view the pdf of the pamphlet.)

[PandaMoOo]

I would say without going into detail that most of those things stated are true as far as I know. A lot of our political squabbles are over value judgments.

I mean... I got in a heated argument with my roommate over gay marriage for example. He said something to the likes of "as a christian i truly honestly believe against it" and I quite simply responded "why should people who are born gay have any less rights then you? What any difference is that from race/religion/age/sex? ...." and so on.

Iono... Bush is definately one of the most religious presidents, I've heard of many books written about him using a lot of beliefs in how he practices. As opposed to the Roosevelt approach which is "I am not a christian president. I am a president, who just happens to be christian." To me, thats good... to not impose your will on others... but thats my thoughts... Be a good christian, vote Bush!

But then again Bush has done many un-christian things throughout the world. But that stuff is ignored or dismissed

[zoedragon]

It angers me that people would rather have a crook leading the country than a person who does not share their personal beliefs. A family friend I know who watched Fahrenheit 9/11 with me said he didn't care, he was still voting for the guy. Ugh.

I friend pointed me to this interesting and very long web page: http://www.bushisantichrist.com It's obviously written by someone very knowledgeable about the Bible and history.

I clicked on one of the links from that page to learn more about this "Skull and Bones" satanic secret society. I found it very interesting that they list not only Bush, but also Kerry as a member! Fascinating stuff, IF it's true.

[zoedragon]

Here is a source of info that seems to be fairly objective, presenting information regarding both sides. It includes a comparison of the candidates and where they stand on the issues.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...etc/links.html

[Admin]

The Bush is antichrist website seems like a nonsense, especially the 666 section. And I wish John Kerry was a christian so he can the equal advantage from churche members and christian organizations.
I've also read about the Skulls and Bones society in the L.A. Times and the Times magazine. Must be true, I guess.

[PandaMoOo]

Originally Posted by KayCee

The Bush is antichrist website seems like a nonsense, especially the 666 section. And I wish John Kerry was a christian so he can the equal advantage from churche members and christian organizations.
I've also read about the Skulls and Bones society in the L.A. Times and the Times magazine. Must be true, I guess.

John Kerry is christian, ain't he? He's just a democratic christian who believes in abortion, and working on sundays. Oh wait, who doesn't believe in working on sundays?

[Admin]

Based on the Google search results, lot of pages relate John Kerry to being a Catholic.

He is a Catholic: http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/bio.html

[PandaMoOo]

Originally Posted by KayCee

Based on the Google search results, lot of pages relate John Kerry to being a Catholic.

He is a Catholic: http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/bio.html

Wow... "are you catholic or are you christian?" (that is a tongue-in-cheek joke actually)

Are you aware that in order to be Catholic you must be Christian? Catholic is a type of Christianity.... I did a small google search myself and it hinted strongly Bush was catholic.

Catholics are one of the most fundamentalist Christians of America.... definately one of the more popular sects at least. I recommend all Christians... those who believe in Jesus spend a little time and look at the different kinds of Christianity if this is a surprise to you.

[Admin]

I'm aware of the many christian denominations that exists. This is actually my first time hearing someone say that George Bush is a Catholic and also the first time someone say that catholic is the same as christianity. Not that I am saying it is wrong, everytime I have a brief chat with a Catholic buddy, they hardly relate their Catholic to Christian.

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't a Catholic person believe that Mary is the mother of Jesus Christ and therefore, she is worshipped. And christians believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God.

[PandaMoOo]

Originally Posted by KayCee

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't a Catholic person believe that Mary is the mother of Jesus Christ and therefore, she is worshipped. And christians believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God.

You're absolutely correct. But Catholics also believe Jesus is the son of God.

The common factor of being a Christian is believing in Jesus Christ. I believe this stems because all Christians were Jews before Jesus came around... so they all branched from there.

Aah... finally found the source I needed: check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_de nominations

There are many many many many branches obviously. But notice the "Churches of the Catholic Communion"

I do agree, there are big differences between the denominations... so much that Catholics are sometimes considered outside Christinaity. Catholics I believe are the most fundamental in nature though, hence Bush. Although... I'll be fair to say that Kerry does not propose ideas that the Catholic church would agree with... but I don't think a president should. Party on!

[lost-and-found]

Christ and therefore, she is worshipped

That's actually one of the biggest misconceptions about Catholicism, although I don't blame people since many un-educated Catholics think this is true also....

We do NOT worship Mary. We pray to her that she pray to Jesus, just like you'd ask a friend to pray for you during difficult times.