The Economy is Improving!!! 2 Million New Jobs are Lost!! And we're in a deficit?

[PandaMoOo]

I know this may or may not be the place for it, but was anyone else annoyed by the conventions? This is my first election year, like it is for many others I imagine so a community for us to come together would probably be good!

I watched both elections quite closely but soon became dissatisified with both parties when they seemed to be targeting what they think people want. Not what they think is truly best. I

"On September 7, the Congressional Budget Office released new estimates showing that the budget deficit will grow to $422 billion in fiscal year 2004.[1] This is $46 billion higher than the 2003 deficit, which stood at $375 billion.

Despite the economic recovery, the deficit has continued to rise. 2004 will be the fourth consecutive year of fiscal deterioration, following eight consecutive years of fiscal improvement. Moreover, outside the surplus in the Social Security Trust Fund, CBO estimates the 2004 deficit at $571 billion.
"-http://www.cbpp.org/9-7-04bud.htm

Aah well.. thats only about $1400 per american, I plan to write my check tonight, what about you?

On another note: Acording to the following graphs from zfacts 7 more Million Jobs should be present. Although... bush lost 1.5 million or so, the job market SHOULD have grown, as it has for the last 20 years, and been 7 million jobs higher.
http://zfacts.com/p/531.html
http://zfacts.com/p/529.html

According to: http://www.bls.gov/cew/state2002.txt
The average salary for every american is: $36,764 (for 2002.)
7 Million Jobs * $36,764 per Job * 27% Income Tax Rate = $69.5 Billion.

So... if the economy continued its normal process, for the last 20 years, we wouldn't have had a deficit. (Because $69.5 billion is one tax year income, and we had a debt of $46 billion this year.)

I'm no expert, but... not good times.

[Keng]

Er we are at war, don't expect USA to jump out deficit anytime soon.

[PandaMoOo]

Originally Posted by Keng

Er we are at war, don't expect USA to jump out deficit anytime soon.

I know. For who knows how many more years. But we must keep fighting! Even if the original intent was to rid weapons of mass destruction... which there were none. So now it's a war on terrorism?

But... why tax cuts when deficit is increasing?
But... why medicare increasing to 1% of GDP despite deficit increasing?

[PandaMoOo]

Well... what is more important to everybody?

Medicare? Fighting a war on terrorism? Fixing the deficit?

What is the best value for the money?

[Keng]

Even though war on terrorism isn't the best value for the money, we have to do it. Just look what happened in Russia, that was truly sad...

[Admin]

Sad indeed. Someone please refresh my memory. During the Clinton administration period, there was no war or threats (heavily focused in the media) and the U.S. was far from recession.

But what, when, where, and why is the U.S. being the main target of terrorist act?? And did our economy start going downhill when President Bush began his term as the president? A period of recession could be heading our way in about a year or two.

Boo for Bush.

[PandaMoOo]

Originally Posted by Keng

Even though war on terrorism isn't the best value for the money, we have to do it. Just look what happened in Russia, that was truly sad...

But is the war in Iraq really fighting terrorism? It seems to be encouraging terrorist hostage taking incidents, and whats sad is a lot of countries are negotiating with the terrorists for a safe release which encourages others who want things... to commit terrorist acts. (The thing that really peeves me about the war is that it was started on a false premise. I know.... evidence showed they had big bad weapons... but... how could we have been wrong about that? I agree we got to finish it for the Iraqi People, we deserted them in 1991 and a bunch of them got slaughtered by Saddam for revenge on his return.)

That's exactly what I'm asking though... put a value on the war on terrorism, how much IS it worth to you? We don't "have to do it," and even we do... to what extent... how much money should we put forth to do it? How much money is everyone's life worth? Although a difficult decision to make, it has to be made by someone.

Russia is a sad story... what's even sader is the history of Russia and the way everyone in that region has been ruled by oppression and power for 1000's of years. And it hasen't changed. The chechya rebels have mostly legit demands, they want to be treated more equally. They're doing it the wrong way, but the government has failed to respond to them any other way; so when things get desperate... work harder?

In the past they've captured a movie theater and a hotel. The movie theater ended in 100 people dieing after the government pumped it full of military "knock out gas." That made everyone unconscious. The other time with the hotel was even more sad because the terrorists got back to their home country and have not ever been caught, or anything... although I don't know all the details and its too late to search the internet. To every story there is many many details... remember osama used to be good allies with the US back when we were trying to remove communism from Afganistan only 30-40 years ago. Amazing how things change?

Iono... just trying to get people to start asking questions! No one cares enough to find out... or even question why, who, or what anymore.

As far as Bush's affecting the job market... I have no idea how or why he could have done anything. Check out:
http://zfacts.com/p/529.html
It clearly shows a stagnant growth, but it does dip down after sept. of 2001, so maybe it wasen't in his control at all. Perhaps american economy has been too blessed recently? Democrats are always say Bush has lowered jobs, but they haven't explained their scientific reasoning as to why its him and not something else. Anyone know why?

[Keng]

USA is not on the recession alone, basically this is a global recession. USA has strong economic, most of other country's stock market mostly fall/raise depending how USA market end.

[PandaMoOo]

Originally Posted by Keng

USA is not on the recession alone, basically this is a global recession. USA has strong economic, most of other country's stock market mostly fall/raise depending how USA market end.

And then there's China who is through a major economic boom, similiar to our industry revolution which is raising oil prices around the world because they now want a lot of oil and OPEC hasen't raised quotas to meet chinas demand. Perhaps thats part of Americas downside a little?

[Keng]

Even in recession, I can tell you most of the countries still maintain positive GDP growth.

[Young Entrepreneur]

You can bet that I will be voting for John Kerry as our new president.
Bush brought to much pain and tears to this country. We can't go through another four years of it.

[Keng]

I will vote whoever has better policy helping Taiwan from that _____ing china...

[Admin]

John Kerry being a coward and anti-war is so baloney. We know future terrorists attacks are inevitable and even if Senator Kerry wins the election, the U.S. will be fighting in the war. The Kerry administration will do a much better job hopefully in managing the economic/petroleum/terrorism crisis (if we can call it a crisis).
Vote Kerry. Vote Kerry. Vote Kerry.

[PandaMoOo]

Originally Posted by KayCee

John Kerry being a coward and anti-war is so baloney. We know future terrorists attacks are inevitable and even if Senator Kerry wins the election, the U.S. will be fighting in the war. The Kerry administration will do a much better job hopefully in managing the economic/petroleum/terrorism crisis (if we can call it a crisis).
Vote Kerry. Vote Kerry. Vote Kerry.

I just now finally saw one of those ever popular swiftboat veterans for truth ads. We miss a lot of the ad campaigns being based in almost guaranteed democratic california.

What does everyone think of Senator Kerry and his radical health care for all ideas? Health care already is so expensive and inefficent because insurance covers most of it, so doctors spare no expense... not to say we should be cheap; but just imagine the price of drugs/instruments/doctors when their uncompetitive. It's almost communist.

One of the most unnerving things to me about Bush is his ties to big money. How Bush and his buddy Dick Cheney have huge investments in Halliburton, which won a $7 Billion Dollar contract to rebuild Iraq without competive bidding.
"Halliburton, which was headed by Dick Cheney from 1995-2000 before he became U.S. vice president, has denied any wrongdoing in its billing."-http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5928734/

Just now several years later are people asking questions and demanding answers, only now is Halliburton being reevaluated and losing part of it's contract.... but still a majority of people in America have no idea what is going on.

Bush has the popular vote! Sickening, but at least... interesting election year!

[JPWRana]

Go Nader!

anyone remember Ross Perot?

[PandaMoOo]

Originally Posted by JPWRana

Go Nader!

anyone remember Ross Perot?

Nadar has got some ideas... hes got some bad ones too. I remember a cartoon picture of someone with giant ears, is that him? He was before my time

[JPWRana]

no. thats ross perot. another texan oil billionare i believe.

[jamarquez]

Originally Posted by Keng

I will vote whoever has better policy helping Taiwan from that _____ing china...

Originally Posted by JPWRana

Go Nader!

China should let go of Taiwan (let them have their own government),
I'm going to be a Poll Worker on Election Day

No time to waste your vote on Nader this election day. He screwed it up for Gore last time....

[Keng]

Taiwan does have our own government, it's just that China want to take us back *doh* we never belonged to anyone...

[jamarquez]

Originally Posted by Keng

Taiwan does have our own government, it's just that China want to take us back *doh* we never belonged to anyone...

OO, all this time i was thinking somthing else....thanks, i guess i should paymore attention in school